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Buck4U
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Posted: April-15-2010 at 4:16pm |
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Yeah, the stringers definitely need replaced. I haven't found any rot on the primaries, although I'm sure there is. The engine mount bolts all hold torque, so I've decided that the stringer job will wait until after this season.
8122 - Never checked alignment with a feeler gauge, just spun the shaft and found it easy to spin (crappy test, I know). The boat hasn't been run for more than 20 minutes other than the day of the accident, but I've secured a set of feeler gauges, and printed Eric's Alignment thread for reference when I get the new gear in there. Haven't gotten the gear out of the lake yet. I've got drill this weekend, so it's going to be sometime early next week before I have gear in hand. I will post pictures when I get it. TRBenj - Thanks for the HIN location info. I will find the number and send it to Correct Craft for verification. Thanks again, guys! The wealth of knowledge here never ceases to amaze me. |
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TRBenj
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If Im not mistaken the early Martiniques only had a single tracking fin- the 2nd gen SN had 2. While everything is apart, I would check the remaining underwater gear (fin, strut) for straightness. If bent, get them fixed while everything is apart.
The theory that the shaft worked its way out and caused all this sure sounds plausable. I would pay very special attention to the alignment when you put it back together. If you can, eliminate that spacer under the strut. As I mentioned before, I would go with a used rudder (or even a prop) but a new shaft and coupler is a wise idea. Like has been mentioned, that small fin is the speedo pickup. Ive got the same one on my '71 Skier. If there is no HIN on the upper right side of the transom, then poke around the bilge- there may be a plate with a serial number affixed to a stringer. Either that, or there is a serial number on the capacity plate by the throttle. Thats the only thing I have on my Skier, and Correct Craft was able to pull the records and confirm the year. |
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8122pbrainard
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This certainly is a good theory and I feel quite possible. Have you got the prop and shaft out of the lake yet? A picture of it would be helpfull. Take a close up of the coupling end. Jeff, Did you ever do the alignment on the boat? Posted Feb. 22nd:
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hotboat
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The small fin is the same speedo pickup on my 78. I would agree, earlier than 78 model. See if the hin # is on the upper rt hand corner of transom on the outside.
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lewy2001
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My guess is that the boat has had a hit before and the rudder was straightened. Is the coupler showing signs of wear (fretting) where the prop shaft exited. Misalignment more than likely caused this wear if present. Then the prop shaft just worked it's way out taking the rudder on its way.
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Morfoot
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Jeff, I'm with Chris on this one. From the pictures I see it looks like you suffered no gel damage to the boat. The drive shaft and prop have departed the boat in tact only taking the rudder with it. Get your scuba gear and retrieve the missing parts and you'll have some more clues as to what happened.
Looks like the second tracking fin has been dressed up to next to the point of it isn't doing you any good if that is what it is. Is that factory or someone else's idea of a torque fix? Maybe someone who knows more about this particular year can chime in and tell you what it is. TRBenj? Guy's would the spacer under the strut be a previous owners attempt at getting the tranny couplers to align? Could that have caused a sress point in the driveshaft causing it to depart the boat? |
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Buck4U
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Alright. I'll save up the money for the replacements and see how they do. Thanks for the help, guys.
Air206 - I haven't loosened the nut, just removed the seat and took pictures. SNobsessed - Sorry I didn't mention this earlier, but the boat isn't insured. I had it listed at non-operable since I was chasing electrical issues and dealing with a leaky car, so sadly I can't claim my insurance on this one. |
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Air206
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Lotta weird situations there......
Did you loosen that rudder jam nut? Seems odd to look that way.... The force to shear off that rudder would HAVE to have damaged the fiberglass if it wasn't already weakened/repaired/partially fractured. Looks like the rest just fell out when it separated from the coupling. The fins, shims, strut "backing plate" and loose "chaulk" sure are VERY interesting............... I'm sure you can get that back together.. (but you know the guys are gonna see that wood support and tell you to check your stringers...... you'll then wanna strip out everything, re-string, re-floor, align new drive parts and engine........ your early 70's CC will be good as new......that is just what this site and these folks are GREAT to help with......... |
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My guess is that the rudder had been straightened once before & was work hardened right at the break point. Just took 1 more hit for it to let go. It looks like the shaft came out of the coupler- shouldn't do that but it probably saved your tranny. Possible the shaft came loose, had no safety collar, then took the rudder with it when it went out the stern.
PS, stick with the log hit when talking to the insurance adjuster! |
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Buck4U
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Here is a closer picture of the strut with the suspect spacer:
Here is the "shaft log" I believe. Doesn't seem disturbed at all Here is the rudder port. Here is the strut "plate"(?) The cracks in the wood were there before my accident. The white stuff around the plate was peeling away. There is one large fin under my boat. Then there is this: Possibly the original speedo? I have a total of three speedometer gauges. One is mounted in the dash, and the other two have been attached to the dash with plexiglass bracket. Anyway, do you guys see any reason that I cannot just bolt the replacements in? Everything looks solid enough. Also, I noticed TRBenj asked to post a pick on the boats HIN. Where would I find that? |
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8122pbrainard
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Chris,
I've never seen a spacer under the strut before. Makes you wonder if it came from the factory that way due to a drilling/position error?? |
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Buck4U
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Haven't had the chance to remove the inspection boar, rear seat, and tank just yet, but I will post more pics as soon as I do. Thats very interesting. I'm glad I haven't registered it yet. I will have to ask the dealer I purchased it from to make me a new Bill of Sale. Any idea on how to get the exact year model? I really appreciate the replies, guys. |
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TRBenj
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It sure looks like it could be a '73- its definitely not a '78. Post a picture of the HIN.
I cant see any damage to the shaft log from that picture... thats how the bottom of the boat is supposed to look. What does it look like on the bilge side? |
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Buck4U
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The coupler is still attached; looks intact
It may be. I have two speedo pickups on the back of the boat, one on either side.
It might be. I really have no idea. The previous owner thought it was a '73 at first, but the last two digits of the serial number is "78" so he said it was probably a '78. Is there a way I can run the VIN? Here's some more pics: Shaft Log Strut - Thats just dirt on the leading edge of the strut Rudder Port Side View Rear View - Speedos on left and right |
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79nautique
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whats with the spacer block under the strut? did they actually do that some years?
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TRBenj
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Are you sure that boat is a '78? The colored hull, speedo pickup and trailer fenders make it look more like an early 70's vintage.
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I'm guessing the propshaft was already weak. Hitting the log was just enough umph to snap it off, and then the prop and shaft took out the rudder.
Looks like an old school speedo pickup to me as well. BKH |
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79nautique
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it could have been crakced prior to being hit. But at least the strut is still there, wonder if the coupleing is still attached to the tranny bet it is.
well I would say the odds of salvaging the prop or shaft is not going to be likely. Also looks like a fin is a little shorter than it should be or maybe it's a speedo pick-up in the shot. |
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Looking at the picture I'm amazed. Maybe some of the other guys can chime in. How is it he broke the rudder without any apparent damage to the base?
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Make sure you put the image tags around them for it to show up. You type in [ img]the url[ /img], minus the spaces. You can also select the photo on photo bucket and go to the bottom and select to "generate html and img tags". Then just copy and paste that in your thread. Then you picture shows up in the thread like this... |
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http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w42/Bang4URBuck/SANY0327.jpg
Here's the main picture. The rest are still uploading. As you can see, the rudder shaft broke off almost flush with the bottom of the hull. The strut is still very securely attached. I am going to try to pull the rear seat, tank, inspection board, etc this evening to make sure the shaft log and rudder port are alright. |
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Buck4U
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Talked to Connors on the phone today; he can sell me replacements for whatever parts aren't salvageable
Pictures in the morning! I took them today, going to photobucket them tomorrow. |
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Jeff,
These guys on here are real good. I just wanted to make a comment, I feel your pain.. That damb log messed your *************** all up... I hope you get her fixed.. |
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I have a complete set of running gear you need, mine is off a 77 martinique in good shape. shaft strut prop rudder, you name it i got it. call me 269 506 1249 jeff. i scrapped the boat do to condition of hull. call me before friday, or ill be in florida picking up new boat good luck!
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strange about the shaft going to the bottom, did it actually broke in half meaning theres still half of it attached to the trans coupler?
to this point I think pictures will help a lot. |
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TRBenj
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Keep reading! This forum is your best resource for all of the above. Your Martinique used the same hull as the 2nd gen Ski Nautique (70-81) so all of the running gear is interchangeable. Your boat used a 50" long, 1" diameter shaft. The prop would have originally been a 13x13 Federal, but a 13x13 OJ or 13x12 Acme would really wake the boat up. The rudder is an "11A", which was used on all Ski Nautiques from 1970 forward, as well as most of the older v-hull boats (BFN, Southwind, Freeport). The fins should have been the same on any pre-1991 Correct Craft. Your tranny is a Borg Warner Velvet Drive, 1:1 ratio. I would guess a 71c based on the vintage. Personally, I would try to find use fins, strut and rudder. If you can find your old ones and theyre not too mangled, its possible they can be straightened. I would invest in a new prop shaft (A.R.E double taper) as it will aide in installation and a new prop (Acme 540, 13x12) as it will greatly improve your performance. I have never had to do so, but I would consider taking Eric's suggestion and following up with your insurance- if you cant find used parts easily, buying brand new will be very expensive. |
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so i guess the trans is OK, you ripped its tail off, it was a little more than a speed bump
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8122pbrainard
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Jeff,
Once you get the parts out of the lake, you'll have a better idea of what was on the boat. If the shaft is beyond measuring, you can measure the needed length off the boat. |
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Buck4U
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I swear I will stop with the multiple posts.
Is there a place where I can find information for my boat? I have no idea about the following: Driveshaft length Propeller type, size, etc Rudder type, size, etc I'm also interested in learning about the type of transmission my boat has. I have searched the forums, but am having trouble finding exact information for my '78 Martinique, w/ the 255hp 351W I understand the benefit of maintaining originality, but in this case, I don't think a non-original driveshaft, propeller, or rudder will detract too much from the boats heritage. And to boot, I don't have the $$$ to fork out for a new brass rudder, prop, or driveshaft. If I can find used original parts for a good price, I will go that route. I have a diver going to the lake to retrieve my prop, broken rudder, and driveshaft. It would be nice if some of it were salvageable, but I'm not keeping my hopes up. Pictures are going to have to wait until tomorrow. I spoke with Boat Dr (Billy) today, and they feel confident that they will be able to find me a rudder. Guys, I want to submit a sincere, heartfelt thank you for your encouragement and advice. I have spent a good portion of this last week submersing myself in this forum, picking my way through months of threads, and have come to the realization that I think I have discovered a new passion. There is something about Correct Crafts that I can't put into words. Much like old motorcycles and putting Chevy V8's into things they don't belong, I find myself naturally drawn to this boat. After long thought, I have decided that I am going to put forth however much time and money it takes to restore this boat to like-new condition. It will most likely have to wait until after this next season, but come first sign of rain post-summer, I'm gonna tear this thing up and give it the attention it deserves. I'm not even going to ask it you guys will be there to offer encouragement and advice, because I can already tell you will, judging by what I've read. |
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