Carpet adhesive?

LAKESIDE wrote: I thought this site was for advice to help others with there projects? Maybe i was wrong. Well it's you boat your the only one who has to like the finished job, so what ever floats your boat. Good luck with you carpet. DAVE

Dave,
I don't understand who you're upset with. I re read the thread and to me it seems everyone is trying to help and give advice. The only difference is some use a contact adhesive while others outdoor carpet adhesive. You being a upholsterer I'm sure are more used to the contact adhesive. Personally, I feel the carpet adhesive is prefered due to the fact you can make minor adjustments. keep in mind we are laying carpet and not vinyl over foam.

BTW, they must have made some changes in the contact adhesives. A few years back, I worked on the problem of using a 5 gal pressure feed to a atomizing gun for contact adhesive. I worked with Binks, gave up and went to DeVillbiss and still couldn't get it to spray properly. Lots of fluid tip combinations and even worked with the contact adhesive manufacturer. You're very lucky you can get it to work properly out of the cheapest gun available - the Harbor Freight Chinese import!!!

srbranum wrote: 79nautique wrote: so how many boats do you plan on carpetting? I'll be suprized if you use a half gallon on a 16 footer now if you going for the adhesive through the carpet look then ok. Maybe I bought way too much but I have only put carpet in two boats in my life: one about 35 years ago and this boat about 15 years ago and I don't have a clue how much I used either time. The one gallon bucket says 60-90 sq. ft.coverage. My boat is about 14' long counting the area up under the dash and 8'-9' wide counting the floor and both gunwails. Take out the small amount of space for the engine and I come up with about 110sq. ft which is more carpet than the one gallon bucket said was sufficient. I would rather have too much than pinch pennies at this point especially after spending $2500 on the project. Just my .02 cents worth. scott

I have not done that much carpet work with the 3m adhesive, but I know it held the carpet in perfectly on my brother's 86 jeep cj7 we frame on resto'd, and I have used it on countless speaker boxes, and in my nautique with no issues. My friends who helped a lot with my upholstery on my boat owns an upholstery shop and have been using 3m stuff for the 30+ years they have been in business.

Harddock,

Disregard any post you may see from me on concerning Lakeside's comments. I am sleepy from working last night and did not know what I was doing.

Have a Blessed Day,

Scott

LAKESIDE wrote: Been doing upholstery for 23 years.The spray adhesive is crap. Even 3m. I would never recommend using that. Doesn't hold up after heat hits it. If you have access to a pray paint gun and a compressor, try to find some straight up contact cement. It sprays great out of a gun. Home depot sells it in gallon pails. Or maybe if you have a local upholstery shop you can buy some from them .We sell it all the time to customers. WE buy it by the 55 gallon drums. Also when applying it make sure you put glue on the carpet as well as what you are gluing it to. Let dry for a few minutes the stick it down. You wont have any problems. If you don't have a way to spray it you can always brush it on. Harbor Freight sell spray guns for around 15 to 20 dollars. Been using them for years.

I wonder why you've had such bad luck. I've been putting down carpet since I was 15 (I'm 54) owned a carpet store for 20 years and have done boats, cars, trailers, docks, etc and had as good of luck with 3M as with any carpet specific trowled of stuff. I followed the instructions and never had issues. I've got carpet on an aluminum dock that gets wet, gets hot and even stays out in the snow for more tha a few seasons. Held on with 3M/ Go figure!

Pete,

Picked up two gallons of Henry's 263 today from a company called BPI(Building Products Inc, I think). $39 total. I returned the Henry's stuff I had bought at Lowe's for about $32 so I only paid about $8 more for this stuff.

Thanks,

scott

Home depot sells this. Much cheaper than the spray stuff. This will be more than you need.

     

DAP 128 Fl. Oz. (Gal.) Weldwood Original Contact Cement

Model # 00273    
Store SKU # 465631    

$29.98/EA-Each

Description

A multi-purpose neoprene rubber adhesive that forms an instant, high strength bond on a variety of surfaces. Offers hundreds of uses for the home, office and workshop. Forms strong bonds on contact to eliminate the need for clamps, temporary fasteners and long set times. Ideal for bonding: plastic laminate for counters and tabletops, wood and plastic veneers, metal, wood, leather, linoleum, tile, rubber, cork, polyurethane foam, paper and cardboard, many plastics and vinyls and other porous and non-porous materials. Resists the effects of heat, water, weather, grease, oil, and household chemicals. America's best selling contact adhesive. For interior and exterior uses.

    * Strong, Instant Bonds on Contact
    * Can be Used on a Variety of Surfaces
    * Excellent Water Resistance
    * Interior/Exterior
    * MFG Brand Name : DAP
    * MFG Model # : 00273
    * MFG Part # : 7079800273

I just bought the best marine carpet they had from Lowe's. Woody at Mastercraft of orlando(formerly Southeast CC) told me that's where he would buy it if it were him. My contact told me about the 2" deal. He said that much would allow for it to even out instead of bucking up with a shorter amount.

I only use the boat 12-20 hours/summer so I just could not justify the Overton's or other expensive stuff.

Thanks,

This is how I was told to do it:

Cut the sides first. Come down the side and on to the floor 2" back to front. Then put the floor down and come up over the 2" from the side to flush with the gunwail. Seal the edge with liguid nails.

I asked my contact about the overlap down the side and would it be a hump or look bad and he said that's how they do it from the factory so unless I hear otherwise, that's what I'm going with.

scott

I bought some of the High Strength 3M spray adhesive at Auto Zone today($20/can X 3 or 4 cans ) but I found two places locally that sells the Henry's 223(?) Pete was talking about so I may check it out monday.

Question: How long should I allow to install carpet in my 16' CC Skiier?

cements quicker and easier just fold and roll the glue out.. trowl down can be moved and adjusted but takes twice as long.. made patters out of paper then cut big to alow for triming       

JoeinNY wrote: . I am looking at 600 dollars of carpet that wont stay down now.

Wow! Did I buy the wrong stuff at Lowe's? I only spent about $150 for a 6'X 28'piece to cover everything.   

Are you using a spray adhesive or is it a can that you are spreading on? I did see some 3M Super 77 in a spray adhesive at the local hardware store.

Shawn,
Got it now!!! The carpet adhesive will stick to epoxy. The contact cement you used sure will too except it doesn't give you any opportunity to move a misplaced carpet. Did you have help? Usually you need about 20 arms and hands with contact cement!!

inglesideshawn wrote: contact adhesive from weldwood adhesives is the best product ive used,two years and still holding over epoxy...

Shawn,
Do you know someone that's tried to use epoxy??? Wow!! Did you try it? I would think the cure time would be a real problem.

I found the Henry 263 at our local Farm and Barn type store (Fleet Farm, (not Farm and Fleet) for us 'Sconnie boys). Try Tractor Supply or something similar. Lowes does not carry the 263.