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    Posted: March-15-2021 at 1:36pm
I respectfully disagree, you should absolutely repair it as it will get worse.  This is much easier than it may seem.  Get some glass and resin from the local auto supply, plus a ton of degreaser.  
1. Cut a hole out on one side using a vibratory cutter.
2. Soak the muffler in degreaser.  Trust me, you can't use too much.  I didn't fully degrease mine so had to do it twice.
3. Repair the loose part inside using glass and resin. Remember, it doesn't need to pretty but you do want it clear of the air movement to prevent obstruction.
4. Install the piece you cut out and secure with fabric and a wet coat of resin.

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The video's are still active and shared. Try a different browser. I wouldn't cut in unless you are really annoyed by the chatter sound. You might be able to reach the broken area via the inlet and outlet ports. Find someone with small hands and use gravity as your friend. I'd find away to watch the videos before doing anything. I'd also consider buying a new muffler. They still produce them.
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Resurrecting this old post again, I also have an issue with the hull hugger muffler leaking in my 97 Nautique.  I pulled it out of the boat earlier this winter and am about ready to fix the leak, which is located on one spot on the bottom of the muffler where it was rubbing against the hull (the rubber pad came out).  Looking at this post yesterday, and reading about the loose baffle issue, I shook my muffler and noticed a slight rattle.  After reaching in, I am able to grab whatever is inside toward the middle (assuming this is the baffle), and it does move about 1/8" (very slightly), back and forth toward the ends of the muffler body.
The question I have is, should I mess with cutting a hole in the muffler to secure it completely, or just glass the worn spot on the bottom.  For some reason, I am not able to open the link from the post earlier this year to see the pictures, and it isn't completely clear to me if a tiny amount of movement inside the muffler for the baffle is ok.
Thank you in advance for any information!

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Good point. Mine are pretty dang short. They barely sit 2 inches on their respective fibreglass pipes and just barely enough for double hose clamps to seal.
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You got lucky on how they/you cut your hoses.  Some them are cut longer and there just isn't enough room to push them up on the risers and slide the muffler to the rear.  Sounds like your on a good track.  Good luck!
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The area that wore through was the highest spot on the bottom surface of the muffler. It had also worn through the paint on the hull. There was no rubber backing like they were supposed to be I guess.

I’m not sure why you would ever have to take the risers off to remove the exhaust system. You just have to do it the right way wink wink ;). I put some soap on the exhaust tubes coming down from the risers and then use the heat going to heat up the rubber sleeve that connects them to the muffler. I used a screwdriver to break the bond between the hose and the pipes and then I used a oil filter bite wrench in the middle of the rubber hose to twist it back over the Exhaust hose. It was tedious but it worked just fine. I just rebuilt the engine for spring so all of my gaskets and bolts on the risers are brand new and I’m sure would’ve come loose but I didn’t want to replace gaskets again.
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If you got the muffler out with out taking off the risers then you should consider looking inside the exhaust hoses with a flash light.  They are supposed to be firm not squishy and flexible.  Check for blisters inside the hoses from a prior over heating issue.  If you have blisters you should replace the hoses. Also look for any blockage in the 4" hose that may have caused back pressure.  Sounds like you just wore through the muffler vs blowing it out.  When patching I would try to get a sheet or 2 of fiberglass on the inside as well.  That should lessen the pressure on the outside repaired area. 
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I just spent the last hour trying to get these hoses loose. That will have been the hardest part of this project I think. I got the muffler out about five minutes ago and the internals look really solid I was able to get my arm in there and there’s no movement or sound. My only issue is as you suspected, just a small crack along the bottom because the rubber bushings we’re not existence between the muffler and the hull. This will be just a small fibreglass patch and the addition of some rubber on the bottom and I’ll be golden!
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I cut it at an angle. In one of the video's
you can see where I put a layer of fiberglass in to create even more of a lip on the inside Basically cutting it like this shape \     /.
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Originally posted by jhersey29 jhersey29 wrote:

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvCtCf0yHSvwj6BkzGN6y1O-fc9YjA

Been a long time and don't really remember what I said in the videos. This was to repair the blown wall issue where it flapped. Might help. If it's just leaking I don't think you need all off this. Maybe just a hole worn through on the bottom from rubbing om the hull for years.

How'd you cut the top out of the muffler?  It looks like an outer and inner layer; you cut the outer and you have a ridge to lay the piece back on when you close it up.
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Getting the muffler out can be a nightmare.  You might have to take off the risers.  That leads into a whole other project if you break of any bolts and have to drill them out of the exhaust manifold.  I got lucky on mine.  Another friend had blown out the tubes that go from the risers down to the muffler.  Both were leaking like crazy and one he over tightened and crushed.  That ended up in 2 stuck bolts on 1 of his risers. One of them came out with a good soaking of Deep Creep.  The other I had to cut off and drill out.  It turned out well but was pretty darn scary and hard to get the drill bit centered.

If you have to remove the risers don't forget to order the gaskets and that paint remover tool works great to clean up the riser and exhaust manifold.
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Jim, these pics and videos are incredible. Like they say a picture is worth 1000 words!
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https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvCtCf0yHSvwj6BkzGN6y1O-fc9YjA

Been a long time and don't really remember what I said in the videos. This was to repair the blown wall issue where it flapped. Might help. If it's just leaking I don't think you need all off this. Maybe just a hole worn through on the bottom from rubbing om the hull for years.
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Before I start...everyone forgive me for resurrecting an ancient thread. My questions entirely are related to this repair thread so I didn’t want to start a new one. I have a 96 Sport with a leaking hull hugger muffler. It’s got a Centek label on it so I think it’s been replaced before and is not original. Because the pictures that were posted in the original thread are no longer available due to the web sight crash earlier this year, does anybody have any copies of pictures they can re-post to the thread?

From the descriptions about doing the repair I still have no clear idea about where to cut into the muffler to attempt the repair. Maybe even a rough drawing somebody could snap a picture of an upload?

Lastly, I have been strongly considering putting a fresh air exhaust system into this boat. If I cut the muffler open and remove the baffle, effectively turning the muffler into a glorified y-pipe and then install the fresh air exhaust, would the fresh air exhaust work as a muffler since the exhaust outlet would not be exposed to the air while under power?
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I thought I'd share my experience.   Here is a link to the video's on OneDrive. Thanks for the all info. I wouldn't have attempted this without running into this thread.

http://1drv.ms/1nGGofy
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I realize this is an old thread, but if anyone reads it, let me know what you think. I've read most of the comments, but i haven't heard anyone say they just removed the baffle, and then repaired the cracks and reinstalled the muffler. That is my plan, because the baffle is loose, and in my case would be a pain to repair. We cut a hole today, and we plan to cut out the baffle, repair the access hole and the crack in the muffler (reason it was taken out to start with), and reinstall the repaired muffler without the baffle. I'm guessing noise without the baffle will only be 10-15% louder than with the baffle, but that's just a guess. One thing is for sure, the muffler without the baffle will be much quieter than the "Y" pipe suggestion. Does anyone have experience with the hull hugger muffler (2 inlet/1 outlet) with the baffle removed? Thanks.
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Probably just a weak point in the design... Id fix that new crack and run it.
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A swing and a miss: The repaired section held up great. However, an identical crack developed on the opposite side of the muffler. My guess is that the cracking is caused by the pressure, but I am not sure why it keeps happening in the same section of the muffler. As much as I hate admitting defeat, I am going to punt and buy a new one.
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That aught to do it Jim!
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Here it is repaired.

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I would try the repair, as there is nothing to lose. I think you are right in putting some adhesive in there, just make sure to clean it all with a good decreaser (and give it time to outgas) before starting any repair.

As for the y-pipe commonly discussed on these forums, I like my boat quiet so it has never been and never will be an option. Not that there is anything wrong with it though...

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Originally posted by winniskier winniskier wrote:

I understand the sentiment, but I need to hear your reasons before I go spending $600 on a new one.


He's most likely suggesting a Y-pipe conversion as discussed here:
http://www.nautiqueowners.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14912&PID=172459&title=replacing-muffler-with-y-pipe-on-97-nautique

It would cost a couple bucks to get the Y and you might need some additional exhaust hose, but still a lot cheaper than a new muffler.

I was going to suggest this earlier, but I figured where you were going to so much trouble to fix the baffles, you must like the boat quiet. I'd be curious to see what it sounds like without the muffler. I'm kind of considering tossing my invertaflow in favor of the Y, but I do ski early in the morning on a small lake, so I figure I'll keep the muffler until it gives me problems.
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I understand the sentiment, but I need to hear your reasons before I go spending $600 on a new one.
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Just get rid of the muffler altogether.
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I cut out a section with the hole.



The baffle sits in a groove that is cut into the inside wall of the muffler. The baffle is not connected to the groove. Either by design or by wear, the baffle can move in the groove. This movement helped create the hole. The otherwise thick wall of the muffler is much thinner where the groove was cut. Plus, the spot where hole formed was in a gap of fiberglass cloth encircling the muffler at the location of the groove.



So my plan is to fill the gap created by the Dremel blade and the groove in the cut out section with fiberglass paste so the baffle will be held in the groove by fiberglass. This will stop the baffle from floating in the groove. Anyone think I should let it float? I can't think of a good reason.

When this is all done, I would cover all of it with two or three layers of fiberglass cloth.

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Can you reach in and pull out the loose baffle? Probably better not too have it, then to have it get lodged somewhere undesirable.
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Thank you. The concern is that the baffle seen through the hole is not secure. If it is attached by "L" brackets in other spots inside the muffler, then that would explain whi it does not seem to be attached near the hole. Does this make sense?
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On my muffler the baffle is secured using two 'L' brackets between the tube and the upper and lower inside housing that is fiberglassed in place.

If you have a hole fix it now. All you need to do is sand it down, clean it with some carb cleaner, then re-glass it. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

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I can't tell how the baffle is secured to the sides of the muffler. Looking from the tubes, I can see no adhesive or fiberglass connecting the baffle to the side of the muffler. From the hole, same thing. It looks like the the baffles slides into a channel on the inside of the muffler shell and that the channel holds it in place. I'd like to know before I cut into it to fix it. Any ideas?
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