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    Posted: April-06-2011 at 3:25am
I'll give you that. The wake isn't very good at 22 off. I remember it being really flat at 28 and 32 off, but it's been many years since I've skied at those loops! I wonder if the wakes were bigger on the Eliminator's that had the cavitation problem while turning? There was an issue with the drive shaft angle.
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I'll clarify my statement; between 22 and 28 off at 36MPH the wake was definitely bigger and harder than my old '79. I know it's difficult to top the rooster tail on an old Nautique, but the Eliminator felt like you were hitting a concrete curb. Shorter or longer the difference was negligible.
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If the Eliminator truly was a splash of the Malibu Skier (it sure looks like thats the case) then I'll weigh in... my friend had an '88 with a big block and I was always amazed at how huge the wake was behind it. Id say it was comparable to a 2001, which throws a good sized wake. I would have expected it to be much smaller. Im not sure if my particular example was due to the big block, or if it was carrying around a bunch of extra (water) weight, but either is entirely possible.

Im sure Bruce will come in and cancel my vote- he has a Skier in much nicer shape!
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Originally posted by jones jones wrote:

Beautiful gel coat work but the hull design left much to be desired. The wake was bigger and harder than my 79 SN and it would cavitate in a turn.

Originally posted by tonyblny tonyblny wrote:

1986 Ski Eliminator. Wake is much smaller than a 79 Nautique at slalom speed, and the cavitaion problem should've been fixed in '86.

Anyone else been in/behind one to break the tie?
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1986 Ski Eliminator. Wake is much smaller than a 79 Nautique at slalom speed, and the cavitaion problem should've been fixed in '86. I originally had an '84, and Bob Leach contacted me to fix the problem. They used my running gear and put it in the brand new '86 hull, (for free)tested it, and discovered that the problem was due to the angle of the prop shaft. All boats built from about mid-1985 should turn flat.
I'm pulling her out of storage this weekend and will post pics of the transmission mounting.
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The 1986 Ski Eliminator was the first inboard I ever owned (other than my folks 1947 Century Resorter). As I recall the color combination was identical. Beautiful gel coat work but the hull design left much to be desired. The wake was bigger and harder than my 79 SN and it would cavitate in a turn.
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Originally posted by tonyblny tonyblny wrote:

There is no need to loosen ANY motor mounts to remove the tranny. How do I post pictures?

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A picture would be great - it would clear up the issue with the aft motor mounts. So, you're saying they don't bolt up to the trans? Onto the engine?

Go to "post reply" and not "quick reply". There, you'll see a tree with a up arrow icon. Clicking it will bring up the browse window allowing you to search out pictures on your computer. If they are too large, downsizing is needed ether using a program on your computer or one of the web photo sites.

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I am the original owner of a 1986 Ski Eliminator. My boat has 1400 hours on it and has never been in the shop. I'm a cheap bastard and do all repairs myself. Hopefully I can clear up a few things. The price quote for a tranny rebuild was about right. There is no need to loosen ANY motor mounts to remove the tranny. Malibu Boats bought the mold from Eliminator sometime around 1988 to build their first boats. The bilge blower draws air from one of the rear air vents. The motor draws air from the front vents via a duct that runs under the front seat. How do I post pictures?
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I also have a 1985 Eliminator Ski. Also a 1995 Ski Nautique.
My question to the owner of the Eliminator is how is the bilge blower set up in the rear of the boat. Does it draw from the center bilge and how does it duct to it. Thanks   Doug
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My jet boat is an Eliminator, also an '86.



I never realized they built a ski boat, that is in awesome condition and you certainly won't run into many like it!

Good luck with the tranny - mine from my '63 is at Eric's right now.
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Is this the same Eliminator?

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I have a dealer up the road from me. Sweet boats, I see a lot of them on the lakes around me. little over the top but cool.

I really like that ski eliminator, nice looking boat.   


Eric will take good care of you. Good luck with the tranny swap
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Originally posted by joed joed wrote:

Hi Guys,

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Recently, we were out enjoying the boat, pulling one of my son's friends on a wakeboard, and all of a sudden I here a clunk and lose forward. I lift the doghouse to find tranny fluid spewing from the front of the transmission. . . .
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Hey Joe, glad you got the tranny fixed. Did you ever find out what failed and let the fluid spew out the front?
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when your ready, I'll guide you in the right direction. parts wise.....
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I would rather have a top notch working tranny than the parts to rebuild.After all thats your job and im sure your better at it than me.
The problem is the boat being used four times a week so its a little hard to take apart but I might could find the time later this year.
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F and F, I had a chance to buy 6 or 8, complete new V-drive set ups, both units BW and Walters, they were from a guy that worked for Epic boats at the time, i think if i remember correctly that we were at 400.00 apiece....shoulda, coulda, woulda
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

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Originally posted by form&function form&function wrote:

Eric,do you have any spare cases for the velvet drive?I would love to have a fresh tranny but don't want to pull my working unit without a replacement.

Hey Ryan,
I'll bet you Eric can help you out but I suspect you won't get answer until maybe tomorrow morning! If I remember correctly, I do believe he just took a load of scrap iron blocks to get money for the beer kitty!! Plus, it's Friday night an he may be down at Rico's!

BTW, if you are planning on doing a rebuild yourself, get the internal parts from Eric. He's got the good clutch pack plates that don't break - not available elsewhere!!

Also BTW, after seeing your workmanship and what you did to that boat, I don't feel you'll have a problem with with a trans rebuild. However, you know Eric is around every morning unless you happen to pick the weekend he's out having his penal implant done!!   


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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

Ive come to realize im not charging enough,
just a recap, one in the shop, r and r trans, rebuild trans, new damper, alignment, clean test, 11 ish.


Well don't change your pricing quite yet!

My tranny will be on it's way to you next Wednesday.

If I had time to drive down to Ohio... I'd bring you the boat and let you do your thing! I'll have to settle on the rebuild and gaining some valuable experience.

I'll contact you early next week when I get the trans out.

Have a great weekend.

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Eric,do you have any spare cases for the velvet drive?I would love to have a fresh tranny but don't want to pull my working unit without a replacement.
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Ive come to realize im not charging enough,
just a recap, one in the shop, r and r trans, rebuild trans, new damper, alignment, clean test, 11 ish.

the old, lets run down and nail that big beautiful hefer Dad, and dads reply: lets walk down and nail them all   lol

this 46 year old man lifts them out, and at times will even lift the backs of the engines to block them lol
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For me the deciding factor is weather I am manually lifting the trans by hand or by mechanical means.

By hand I'd want to loose all the weight I can.

I prefer the block and tackle with a hand winch under a shade tree as the extra legnth of the cable give me more room to move it around for lineing up the holes. I find that way easier then removing a trailer wheel hoisting the trans over the gunnel with an engine lift.     
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

I'm just courious why you pull the trans with the bellhousing still attached?


Once again I'll defer to the experts on this one. I just read that it easier to detach the bellhousing on your workbench than to try and pull only the trans while it's in the boat. I tend to listen to what these guys say.

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Originally posted by Whitfield Whitfield wrote:

WoW that thing looks clean!

ON your other items ~ Here are a few I can think of.

From car work ~ I've always been told to check / change the rear main seal while the trans is out.

I would also replace the transmission cooler lines as well.

While the flywheel is off check the starter ring gear for excesive wear. Flipping or replacing the ring gear might save you some troubel down the road if it looks like the teeth have excessive wear.   


Thanks for the compliment on the boat and for the suggestions of other things to inspect/replace while I have her apart.

You guys rock.

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The top deck of that boat looks very similar to my 85 Centurion Tru Trac, I have a friend with an late 80's Malibu which doesn't look anything like my Centurion, and I believe it is out of one of Malibu's original molds. That is a California gel coat, everything that came out of Merced in the 80's had a variation of those stripes and angles. Supposedly there is something about the climate that allows them to do things with gel coat that you can't do in other places. Most of the Cali boat makers still do gel coat work that others don't.

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I'm just courious why you pull the trans with the bellhousing still attached?
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WoW that thing looks clean!

Thanks for the packing instructions. I've often wondered how best to ship a trans.

ON your other items ~ Here are a few I can think of.

From car work ~ I've always been told to check / change the rear main seal while the trans is out.

I would also replace the transmission cooler lines as well.

While the flywheel is off check the starter ring gear for excesive wear. Flipping or replacing the ring gear might save you some troubel down the road if it looks like the teeth have excessive wear.   
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From what I've learned... Eliminator is a custom race boat manufacturer that built a tournament ski boat for a few years in the mid 80's. They are known for their gel work. Perhaps they bought molds from Malibu or vice-versa, but I'm am not aware of any connection. I have had several people make that comment tho.

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clearance is what I figured so thanks for confirming

also wondering....was eliminator affiliated with Malibu....that thing looks alot like a late 80s Malibu Skier...graphics, hull design and all
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