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    Posted: January-11-2011 at 7:19pm
Hi back Pete Happy New Year Boat is upside down, hull sanded, wood is just fine, no dry rot. solid. double planked hull. Still not sure re the year/make but your suggestion as to hull number J38-211 as Junior, March 1958, boat 211 sounds like it. Engine kicked right over. Upholstering coming along, crafting a new windshield bracket(s) as origninal gone. Thanks for your help. Steve
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Not too big, not too small, just right. You're doing great Steve.
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Steve,
Getting there with the pics!! now the next step is with the sizing!!


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Finally moved them out to the site. Thanks.
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Steve,
Have you gotten this far?:
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:


For picture posting, you need to click on the "post reply" over to the left. Then above you'll see the icon with a picture of tree with a up arrow. Clicking on it will bring up a "browse" feature. You'll then be able to find pictures in your computer. Resizing the pictures to the sites screen size may be needed. If you don't have the software to do it on your own computer, then a internet photo site such as photobucket.com can be used.

Are you pictures coming up too big for the site?
trustme, I'm a very old school person and the picture posting was a tough one for me. It took several tries before I got it down!!


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I tried your suggestion but can't get to the photos in Kodac Easy Share. I can't brouse it. I can go to Easy Share and e-mail photos out from there.
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Originally posted by madrigal madrigal wrote:

Thair official name is Riverside Boat Works, Harbor Cove is where their shop is. Still trying with the photos.

OMG!!!! How deep is your bank account?? Trust me, you are truly taking that boat to the wrong spot. You must have developed a relationship with them with your sail experience.

Have you tried the suggestion I made regarding the photo posting? how far have you gotten?


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Thair official name is Riverside Boat Works, Harbor Cove is where their shop is. Still trying with the photos.
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Originally posted by madrigal madrigal wrote:

These guys are good with Grays, Pete. They restore boats all of the time.   

Steve,
Sorry but Harbor Cove doesn't "ring a bell" nor does it come up in any of the ACBS directories. Sail or power? If sail, do as I recommend and join the BSLOL chapter of the ACBS.

Personally (sorry) but I wouldn't even let a sail guy look at my boat. Pretty different schools of thought.


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These guys are good with Grays, Pete. They restore boats all of the time. My challenge is time. Still can't get to my pictures. I've tried all of the ways I can think of now. I have DSL, pretty fast, I'll clear up the posts. Again Thanks. Steve
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Steve,
I take it you haven't tried to get the engine going?? I just hate for you to take it to someone without at least trying. You're a sailer so you must be "half way" mechanically inclined!! I just hate to see you take it to someone who doesn't have the faintest idea of what a Gray is.

I HIGHLY recommend you go to www.acbs.org, click on find chapter and the BSLOL will pop up. JOIN!!!!

BTW, are you on a very slow web connection? You double posted. No big deal but you can go back in and delete one of them. Sometimes on a slow connection, you think the site isn't taking the post and you mistakenly hit the "post" twice.

Go out and get a 6 volt battery, hook up the garden hose and give it a try.

OK, how are you doing on the picture posting????

Your profile states you are into "classic boats" What others???


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OK Thanks. I have planking with a little access area, like a open glove box, where that would be behind. I'll go back out tomorrow and check again. Re the name, I was (am) a sailor and knew re the atomic 4 you speak of, but I am moving to smaller boats. Cochrane Boat Yard was the original seller back in the old days. I just saw the plate on the boat. It was on Lake Minnetonta in Minnesota, the home of a bunch of woodies, Chris Crafts, etc. so that made sense. I bought it from a private party who hadn't run it for some years. I am taking it to Harbor Cove here in Duluth, where I slipped a 32 Carver, to have them look at the engine and see if it will run.   I do need to get a bunked trailer. I have one that is a homebuild with a center bunk but several worn out rollers on each side. Re the year etc., the J38 could just as well be a be a J58, I just couldn't be positive. I'm going back to try to get some photos up. Thanks again. Steve
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OK Thanks. I have planking with a little access area, like a open glove box, where that would be behind. I'll go back out tomorrow and check again. Re the name, I was (am) a sailor and knew re the atomic 4 you speak of, but I am moving to smaller boats. Cochrane Boat Yard was the original seller back in the old days. I just saw the plate on the boat. It was on Lake Minnetonta in Minnesota, the home of a bunch of woodies, Chris Crafts, etc. so that made sense. I bought it from a private party who hadn't run it for some years. I am taking it to Harbor Cove here in Duluth, where I slipped a 32 Carver, to have them look at the engine and see if it will run.   I do need to get a bunked trailer. I have one that is a homebuild with a center bunk but several worn out rollers on each side. Re the year etc., the J38 could just as well be a be a J58, I just couldn't be positive. I'm going back to try to get some photos up. Thanks again. Steve
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Steve,
I never found that picture so I just went out and took another. Here's what you're looking for:



It's quite obvious the guy who sold you the boat didn't know anything about CC's!! Sounds like he was more tuned into sail than power. There was NEVER a "Atomic" CC! Just the "Atom". However, Universal did make a very successful 4 cylinder engine for years primarily used for sail auxiliaries called the "Atomic 4". That boat shouldn't have even been in that guys possession! But, we have all seen people selling things they don't know the first thing about! again!!!

The Cochrane Boat Yard needs some smarter people!!

BTW, why do you need the weight! Trailer? DO NOT put that boat on a roller trailer (bunked only) and keep the Cochrane Boat Yard out of the picture if in fact you are looking for a trailer.


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Pete. I just looked at the brochure for the Junior and that looks like it (same hardware and placement) Steve.
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Thanks Pete. Sold to me as that "Atomic" It does seem to have a bit longer hull. I haven't found that official plate as yet. I also haven't had a chance to brouse through others for a photo. Again, I cannot seem to reach my photos in my "Kodac easy share" (a misnomer for sure) trough this site. I'll keep trying, though.
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Steve,
Here's a link to the 1955 Junior in the reference section.


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Steve,
Did you find the ID plate? It's almost square in shape, metal with stamped in numbers/letters. It will have a red color design across the top. I went looking for the picture but it must be on my computer at home.

Get to work on getting us some pictures!! The "J" may indicate you have a CC Junior which was a longer hull. What makes you feel it's a Atom? Sold to you as such?

Have you had a chance to look through the reference section here? You'll find plenty of pictures of 50's boats.


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Pete, would that be....

Junior
March of 1958
Boat #211 for the year...
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Thanks much for your help. I checked the hull On the back lip of the back seat on the hll was J38-211 and the engine is a Grey Marine PhantoM six 88, sold by the Cochrane Boat Yard, Exzcelsior, MN.
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Steve,
See if you can find the hull tag if you haven't already. It's ether on the port hull side frame by the forward seat or inside the dog house (engine cover). The hull number with start with a couple letters indicating the model and then numbers. The numbers are simply a serial number so there isn't any "code" buried in them.

The double planked hulls where ply boats with just a additional layer of actual planks. Has this boat been glassed on the hull bottom so it may be difficult for you to see the planks? If it has been, you should still be able to see a shadow or outline of the planks.

For picture posting, you need to click on the "post reply" over to the left. Then above you'll see the icon with a picture of tree with a up arrow. Clicking on it will bring up a "browse" feature. You'll then be able to find pictures in your computer. Resizing the pictures to the sites screen size may be needed. If you don't have the software to do it on your own computer, then a internet photo site such as photobucket.com can be used.


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Great! Thanks for the info. I'll check the hull and engine numbers and see. I don't think it's double planked. I have several photos but am a bit of a "technopesant" in moving around this site.
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Steve,
Figure the weight to be around 1600. It could be a couple hundred more if it's the "Super" with the double planked bottom.

I feel you're off on the year (or model). In 55 the Atom was still a 14'6" hull. The 15' I believe came out in 57 to get the 6 cylinder engine in it.

Pictures would be great. I'd love to see the project. Do plan on taking it all the way down to the frame. You'll find that the bedding compound CC used between the hull and the frames will be completely dried out. The only thing holding it together will be the screws.

Now, one more thing. Keep it original!!    

EDIT: It was 56 when the Atom went to 15'.


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I just bought a 1955 15' Atomic Skier (lots of restoration ahead) and wanted to know how much the boat weights. It has a 6 cylinder Grey Marine engine. Can anyone hgelp me. Thanks.
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