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    Posted: November-15-2011 at 9:15pm
It does have an external resistor. Electronic ignition. I'd have to check with the store to find out about the type of coil. Then again, my old one and one of the 2 new ones that I've tried are Bosch 'red'; supposedly no internal resistance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hollywood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November-15-2011 at 3:41pm
He did link a Blaster II coil.

Originally posted by MSD MSD wrote:

There are several versions of the Blaster Coil available. All of them have the same internal specifications, but have different housings or components. Each Blaster Coil can be used with a stock ignition, Blaster Ignition, MSD 5, 6 or 7 Ignition Control. Most late model vehicles with electronic ignitions do not require a ballast resistor, check your ignition and manufacturers specifications to determine if a ballast is required in your application.


Tell us about your distributor and ignition wiring.
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No problem, I had one more idea about it as I was driving home last night, but then I didn't get a chance to get to my computer.

Is there any chance that your newer coils are "internally" resisted?

In other words, most of our boats came stock with an external resister. It's made out of ceramic and almost looks like a little piece of square chalk. Towards the back of the engine. Here's what it looks like:
http://www.nautiqueparts.com/resistorignition.aspx
The older coils are meant to have this. It steps down the ignition voltage a bit so it doesn't fry the points.

Now, some of the newer coils are internally resisted. If you're running your wires through the external resister and then the coil is resisted again internally, the overall effect may be too little voltage.

Here's one picture I have from Pete and TRBenj regarding ignition wiring. I know Tim has another as well. This one shows both ways, to wire up the ignition. The "EI" version skips the ballast resiter:

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Yeah odd isn't it?!
Sure +/- in right place. Not much else you can do/do wrong I think. Engine does turn over but just won't start. Must be (?) the high output of the borrowed coil methinks, but that high output should not be necessary to get it going.
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Hmmm, I'm wondering if that has something to do with the way they connect as far as wiring. Positives in the same place etc.?
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I haven't tried my old one again yet, but yes with 2 different brand new ones it doesn't start, with the borrowed one it always starts perfectly.
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So, it will always start with the borrowed coil, but never start any other coil or even the coil you had in there before?
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Anyone have any suggestions what else to check?
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Thanks for the info SNobsessed. I'd rather figure out why it won't start with a normal coil, but in case I'll need one of those blasters it's good info.
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The blaster coil will not work when laying down on it's side, because it is oil filled (will over heat quickly). If you want a MSD, get the Blaster II epoxy filled. Otherwise, you could make an offer to the mechanic for his used one!
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Well, a couple months later... Had the carb rebuilt, only to find out afterwards that one cable leading to the battery was almost through, probably causing the not-wanting-to-start-when-warm-issue. Still had some issues after the rebuilt and fixing that cable (backfire when accelerating) but then just didn't start anymore. Turned out to be the coil. Put one on that a mechanic brought; all problems solved. Starts up fine, no backfire, everything perfect. Until I changed the coil for a new one, same as I had before, a Bosch; engine didn't start anymore. Back to the borrowed coil; no problem. Tried another new coil; same story, no starting. The borrowed one is a high performance MSD Blaster coil. The one I had before worked fine, so why doesn't it anymore? I checked the gap on the sparkplugs, all 0.040 so that should be fine I guess. Anything else I can check? The easy solution is just getting one of those MSD coils myself (well not so easy, no idea where I could find one in Costa Rica), but apparently something is not OK so I'd rather find out what it is.
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Thanks guys! I'll check the choke next time out.
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Stay away from any marine battery they try to sell you. Not worth the extra $.
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I think I read in my Holley Manual that applying full throttle forces the choke open manually. This is why I believe that the choke could be the issue.
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What you want is a Group 65 battery. I think there are some other sizes that fit, but it came up recently. According to TRBenj, that size fits most CCs, it definitely fit my 93. The problem is the battery boxes aren't very tall. This group 65 battery is just an automotive starting battery and that's all you need.

Trip, did you check that your choke is opening up when the engine is warm. Apart from the flooding Pete mentioned, that's another thing to check.
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Rebuild kit for the carb is on its way. However I checked and there does not seem to be gas dripping after I shut the engine off.

Took a look at batteries today, but am not sure what exactly to look for. One store had a marine battery, type 34-78. Does that sound correct for a 2001/351?
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Just noticed there's two renew kits for Holley 4160's
kit 1 and
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Which one to get?!



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Thanks Pete, I'll check that next time. And think I'll order another rebuild kit. The 3rd in 3 years...
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Originally posted by TRIP TRIP wrote:

Found some condensation/water in the distributor cap, dried it, and it started again. However, after that it only starts with full throttle
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The opening the throttle all the way when warm is telling me you have a carb issue that's flooding the engine. When you shut down the engine, look down the carb throat and see if you have gas dripping. If so, I suggest a carb rebuild paying close attention to the needle and seats.


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Any other suggestions regarding the starting issue?
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Thanks Randy_in_Ohio. OK, so I already mixed it up, the battery-type.

Carb was rebuilt about a year ago. And the year before that. Hope that's not the solution this time.
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You don't want a deep cycle battery. You want a regular starting battery or you could get a dual purpose starting\deep cycle battery, but since you don't have any accessories, it's probably not worth the extra cost.

Sounds like you may be in need of a carburetor rebuild.
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Hola,
my '85 2001 with 351/holley 4160 has been running like a dream for the last half year. Barely or no throttle needed upon cold start and just running great. Until recently; after I hadn't used it for 2 weeks while it sat in the water it first started up just fine, as always. But after it warmed up it wouldn't start anymore. Found some condensation/water in the distributor cap, dried it, and it started again. However, after that it only starts with full throttle (when warm, first start of the day is always perfect).

Another thing is I'm looking to get a new battery. I don't have a stereo, no lights or nothing, it's only used to start the engine. So if I'm correct I need a deep cycle battery(?), but how do you know if a battery is deep cycle or ehmm... the other type (forgot what it is)? I checked some batteries but never seen the type being mentioned.

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