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8122pbrainard
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A "preload" on the steering is actually desirable to many and is the reason for the tune-able rudder. It allows you to keep the boat in a straight line through the slalom course. Without the preload, boats have a tendency to wander back an forth port to starboard when in the neutral/straight running position. |
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KileyB
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GREASE IS THE WORD. I grease the helm and its almost a one finger job now. I can't believe I lived with this for two years without trying to grease it. Feeling kind of dumb but at least I know now. It does need to be aligned. If I let go under power the wheel starts to turn left on its own. The helm head is worn out. Turning full left causes it to skip.
Bottom line is that this is way better and highly recommended as a first step when someone is having issues with steering. There isn't any more play in the rudder when I try to jiggle it. I cam actually get the steering wheel to turn by moving the rudder now. I could never do the before. Can't say how relieved I am that it was such a simple fix. |
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cphase
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Much better now! |
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TX Foilhead
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G:$ @&$m auto correct.
Fixed it I hope. |
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cphase
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Sorry, couldn't resist!
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cphase
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Really? |
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TX Foilhead
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Survived the weekend with the P90X steering system and got the new on in tonight, nice and smooth.
Teleflex says 4 turns lock to lock, I'm getting 3 3/4. Problem is almost 3 are to one side, the clamp block is in roughly the same place and the rudder moves almost equally to each side. I'm not sure what normal is since I've never had the proper setup. I'm heading out of town in the morning so no lake test time. Is this normal? Any ideas about how to get the clamp block set without putting it in the water? |
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SNobsessed
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It actually is a good weekend to stay off the water anyway. There won't be any decent water after 9AM.
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GlassSeeker
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worn out cable=lots of effort to steer...so even if you can get the helm "workable"...then again whats the worst that can happen?, no brakes, no steering, crowded lake?????
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SNobsessed
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Can you shim it so it has the clearance it wants? That way you can tighten the screws. No way would I leave screws loose in a steering component.
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TX Foilhead
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No, just lots of warning labels that say 'may cause steering failure'. I realize that the lawyers and the sales guys are probably most responsible for those, but I would kind of like to know what's in there if anyone knows. I'm thinking if I crack it open and remove the damper it should loosen up. It was fairly smooth until I tightened the rack up, I thought about just leaving it a little loose, but the thought of a boat with no steering on a holiday weekend stopped me, I like excitement, but that might be too much.
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SNobsessed
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At this point do you have anything to lose by trying? |
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TX Foilhead
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Due to some miscommunication, a tropical storm or something my new cable won't be here in time for the weekend. Fortunately I've been too busy to pull the old one so I started puting the helm back last night to make the boat useable for the weekend. None of the individual pieces seem terribly sticky, but when I tighten it all together it is very stiff, anybody got any ideas about what I could possibly grease to get few extra days out of it?
I think the biggest issue is in the helm, but every piece says don't open it up to repair. Not planning on doing any towing way too many idiots out, just want to run up to the local beach a tie up with some friends. |
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TX Foilhead
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After I got to looking at things and comparing them to what I found on the teleflex site I realized that the helm was wrong. I had a cable and helm for an outboard motor, not suprising because of where I got the boat. Got everything worked out with Billy's help and I will be replacing it all with the correct original cable. That was a very expensive call because now I'm probbably going to SJRR next year too.
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SNobsessed
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I took my helm apart, cleaned & regreased it. I used synthetic brake caliper grease so it wouldn't eat the cable liner (which petroleum grease will).
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OverMyHead
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Use the cable to pul a rope or fish tape through that you can then use,to pull the new cable.
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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TX Foilhead
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I pulled everything but the cable yesterday, and it appears that I have the newer rack. The helm and the tilt are both a little sticky, since the boat was on the lift I didn't check to see if I could turn it easily with the rudder. According to Teleflex nothing is repairable, not sure I believe that. Has anyone taken a helm apart and cleaned it up and reused it. Looks like just cleaning it and adding some fresh grease would help.
Second question is, does anyone know what length the cable should be? SKIDIM has them in 1ft incraments, Whitelake just list them by the year. Because the floor is removable I don't think it would be a huge deal to take it out without feeing the new on at the same time, but it would certainly help if I could use the old one to pull in the new one. |
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TX Foilhead
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My Excel is a little off center, but not quite that much, my Centurion was about even with that. It didn't cause any issues on that boat. The Excel isn't known for its handeling to begin with, mine has always been on the tight side and that will be the next thing I redo so I'm following. Sorry may not have much input, I've got 2 boats to detail and get straightened up from the drag boat race so I'm going to be very busy the next few days.
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Tim D
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Several years ago on my Mustang, I noticed hard steering to the right and it was fine turning to the left. What happened is the thick spring on the helm end of the cable that the gears grab hold on was broken. Turning to the left was pulling the cable. But when I turned to the right which pushes the cable out of the helm, the cable was bunching up between the gears because the thick outer spring the wraps around the cable was broken. Well it finally broke one day. I took the helm apart and there was a big "hairball" of broken cable fibers in the grease.
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8122pbrainard
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I really don't feel that alignment is the cause of the hard steering. Maybe some but that would be in one direction only. You need to focus on that bad helm box.
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BuffaloBFN
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Yes, the sealant doesn't look factory. |
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OverMyHead
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
1987 Ski Nautique |
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KileyB
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I've never done one. Sounds a little scary even for someone who isn't too afaid to do their own work. I've considered calling the local boat shop to see what they would charge to do it. have you done it yourself before? |
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KileyB
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Do you mean to say removed and replaced again? |
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BuffaloBFN
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Filing the rudder is for fine tuning. That comes way after the helm and strut...if at all. |
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BuffaloBFN
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Looks like the strut and rudder port have been removed as well. |
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Bri892001
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Kapla went through this with his 92 ski Nautique.
Nautique Parts has everything you would need to get a new rotary helm. I know Kapla just changed over his whole system, of course he was in Argentina and didn't have as ready access to parts. His old helm had pretty much disentigrated. You're right about it being a rotary system, and a little different from a lot of others. Just 91 and 92 had that it looks like. |
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SNobsessed
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Yes, it looks like the prop is off to the right. Have you done a shaft alignment lately?
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oldcuda
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I just replaced cable in my Resorter and was actualy cheaper to buy cable with the rack housing(helm)with all new bolts everything you need for silky smooth steering. Teleflex about $160 and worth every cent in my opinion.I know my cable was bad but for $25 less and an extra 1/2 hr no brainer.
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Gary S
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One more comment is that the newer boats seem to have problems with steering systems, what has changed? Certainly not the rudders they are about the same for the last 50 years. The cable? yes and the failure rate has gone up too. The helm? made from stamped steel compaired to the castings of the older ones. |
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