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    Posted: March-30-2017 at 9:56pm
Meanwhile back at the ranch, I've been given the chance to buy a never-used 2010 Precision Star GPS Speedometer rather than undertake a conversion. Perfect Pass says that the original 2010 speedometers updated 1 time per second, (1 Hz), the new ones have a 5 Hz GPS, and the 2010 model should work well, just has a slower refresh speed when accelerating. Is this a model T or last year's model? Do you think there will be a meaningful difference?
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If Henry Ford stopped in and was soliciting feedback on how to improve his prototype before putting it into production, then I'd say you missed the boat Pete.

You're not going to re-engineer this GPS conversion kit at this point in order to gain 3mph worth of travel. That feedback was already presented, and the design was finalized in 2013.

There are other options to work around this limitation that I mentioned. Your argumentativeness is not exactly helpful.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

   it is too late to influence the design considerations as that was set in stone many years ago.

I'm glad to hear your model T is still running well Yup, design considerations never come to play after development since they are "set in stone".


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That's pretty clear, Tim. Oh well. First thing to go....well....maybe second.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

This thread is 3 years old, not a relevant discussion as the product is already out there. .

Yes, let's just forget about all the new members who have come on

Happy to talk about the speedo all you want, but it is too late to influence the design considerations as that was set in stone many years ago. Geez you need some reading comprehension help sometimes Pete!
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Originally posted by winniskier winniskier wrote:

I am considering a speedometer conversion to GPS as I am too cheap to jump all the way to a Perfect Pass.

Please send current thoughts about an Nautic Logic upgrade.

I prefer an internal GPS receiver. Nautic Logic claims that the internal and external receivers have the same excellent reception. Do you agree?
I've had great success with NauticLogic! I tied their gps speedo/receiver into a Perfect Pass system to avoid adding a paddle wheel and the hole it would require. A great system. Since then I've put a set of their GPS speedos in my FlightCraft to replace the AirGuides—I'm quite happy with both systems.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

This thread is 3 years old, not a relevant discussion as the product is already out there. .

Yes, let's just forget about all the new members who have come on since the old post!


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This thread is 3 years old, not a relevant discussion as the product is already out there.

If you need to read the upper 40's and higher with accuracy, you can go to a 60mph, 80mph or a custom face with a custom scale if you want... the GPS gauge can be calibrated to any scale you'd like. I am running a custom 80mph scale on my BFN... reads accurately into the 60's.
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Originally posted by ClassicBoatwork ClassicBoatwork wrote:

I need some input. One of the limitations I am running into for the Airguide retrofit is the total sweep of the needle motor is 315 degrees.
On a 3 to 50 mph dial, like most of you have, the needle has to do one of two things.

1. To reach 50mph the needle comes to rest at 5 mph.
2. If the needle settles at the post or 3 mph it will not quite reach 50 mph, the needle will top out at 47 or 48 mph.

How big of a deal is this? I know if I were calibrating for myself I would let the needle set at the post. I have never had a boat that would actually go 50 mph! Does yours?
The gps will actually read up to 200 mph. The limitation is the scale not being over 315 degrees. It appears that finding a motor that will cover a broader range of degrees is problematical
but I am not certain about this.

In YOUR opinion is this a problem that should be resolved before further development?

Thank you for your input,
Dean


My take is that there's nobody concerned with speeds below 10, but there are quite a few boat owners who travel just below or very close to 50 (my SS will hit 48). I'd rather be able to read high end then hit the post on the low end.
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If you ski I couldn't imagine not having Perfect Pass. I was hesitant for the longest time until I started skiing other boats with PP/ZO.
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You lose the Nautique face on the internal receiver- it comes with a generic one (presumably pre-calibrated). I and several others have run the external receiver version for a while, they work great. Smooth, reliable and great customer service from NauticLaugic. I added a 2nd one this winter.
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I am considering a speedometer conversion to GPS as I am too cheap to jump all the way to a Perfect Pass.

Please send current thoughts about an Nautic Logic upgrade.

I prefer an internal GPS receiver. Nautic Logic claims that the internal and external receivers have the same excellent reception. Do you agree?
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More info on the GPS upgrade:
You can see the 'fluidity' of the needle movement on this you-tube video. The video walks thru the Calibration Procedure. For a 5 to 50 MPH gauge, Cal points are sampled starting at 10 MPH, upward every 5 MPH, the last point at 45 (Full Scale minus 5 MPH). The result is an accurate speed report across the full 50 MPH.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

It looks like the optional electronic speedo from around 1980.


My 1980 came with the Electronic Speedo, but I replaced it with an Water Pressure Air Guide. I am thinking that 1980 was the only year that this was offered .

Very Cool Stuff.

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So how much are you selling the DIY kit for?
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nautic Laugic did a pretty good video on the installation process.
I cringe when he tells you to cut off the nipple on the diaphragm though!!
I have never seen that plastic frame before.   
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

HW is right on. Wasn't there a set of those on ebay a few weeks ago?

That GPS is tempting. I would like to fill in all the pitot holes on my transom and never have to worry again.


Now that is the right kind of thinking!

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HW is right on. Wasn't there a set of those on ebay a few weeks ago?

That GPS is tempting. I would like to fill in all the pitot holes on my transom and never have to worry again.
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It looks like the optional electronic speedo from around 1980.
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Originally posted by bhectus bhectus wrote:

The sweep on the flush-mount only goes to 40mph? I thought it was going to go to at least 47?


The flush mount pictured is a "fancy" Electro-Speedo....... not a typical flush mount pitot-driven Airguide which has a dial that is calibrated to 50 MPH.
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The sweep on the flush-mount only goes to 40mph? I thought it was going to go to at least 47?
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I have finished my first pair of GPS retro-fits.
I took the pair out this morning in our car and they track together great.
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I think I see my errant ways... I added the quotes to my link and your software does that automatically.
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Thank you!
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Dean, go ahead and quote Larry's post above, you'll see where everything fits.
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Originally posted by ClassicBoatwork ClassicBoatwork wrote:

arg.. I don't understand these links I guess...


Yeah...still needs a little work

Here you go.

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arg.. I don't understand these links I guess...

http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/agr/agr.html

http://www.classicboatwork.com/classicparts/gauges/airguide/gps/gpsretro.html

http://www.classicboatwork.com/form/gpsform.html

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you link just takes us to this thread.
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I have added more information on the GPS conversion:

Here

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