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stang72 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-31-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1608 |
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Oh sure...you can USE a tube amp in your boat , as long as you don't plan to be near any water!
Pull it behind a boat??? I guess you would be trolling for J-I-H or myself. |
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JEFF KOSTIS ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: April-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 817 |
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Can you pull a tube (amp) behind you??
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882001 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-21-2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 332 |
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can i get a tube amp for my sub in my boat?
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kemah texas
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stang72 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-31-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1608 |
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Jim...tubes and that lovely analog thing! I play around with old tube guitar amps! Yep...if it doesn't have tubes it resides elsewhere!
540...it's on the buy list after a few other things...(a trade would have interested me now though )...so I will pass...go for it Trike! |
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trikeaholic ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-10-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 163 |
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jameski ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: May-18-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 368 |
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I was working with a new shaft 1.000" and a new A R E strut bearing manufactured with inside diameter 1.008" - 4 thousandths clearance all the way around the shaft for a layer of water. The bearing is NOT "snug" on the shaft. There IS play. You can barely feel it (if you have perfect shaft alignment).
Maybe other strut bearings are manufactured with zero clearance, but A R E bearings (from SkiDIM) are not. |
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64 Skier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: February-08-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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jameski....your strut bearing should not have that much play. Mine was new when I did the alignment and I don't recall any vertical play in the strut bearing. In fact the drive shaft had little or no resistance when disconnected and would slide down (very fast)all on it's own weight into the rudder if we weren't carefull.
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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sorry ment 470
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jameski ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: May-18-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 368 |
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I have found that when I turn the prop and shaft by hand while the coupling is not connected, I get more resistance than when it is connected. The unsupported wieght of the forward end of the shaft and coupling puts the shaft in a bind in the strut bearing. But, the bottom line is, there should be very little resistance to rotation when it is properly aligned (and the strut bearing and shaft packing gland are wet).
BTW, the ACME 540 is 13" dia, 12" pitch, 1" bore, .080 cup. |
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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Excellent 64. Thanks!!!! |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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J_I_H I would stop to adjust the screws but I'm going to fine tune it some more by hand now. Good info 64
Jeff it sounds like you have a ACME 540, I use it on my boat and it is my understanding that it is used with the gear reduction tranny's 1.23:1 on mid 80's and up? and it is usually to much prop for 351 and 1:1 tranny. with the cup it has it more like 12.5 X 17 w/o cup |
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JEFF KOSTIS ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: April-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 817 |
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64 skier I agree 100%! My final alignment I did by had by turning the shaft for the least resistance(less side tourque ang running true center) in the strut.
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64 Skier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: February-08-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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Probably pick up 5 Free HP getting that prop to turn freely. I work in a business that frequently aligns very large engines/generators or tranny's or even high speed turbines to gear boxes and the Engineers always talk about the incredible amount of HP wasted in misalignment.
Those rough spots...or the place where you have to set down the beer so you can double up and turn the prop...send a harmonic all the way from your Flex Plate into the Harmonic balancer making your engine work harder. These guy's who specialize in alignments all say the same thing...they don't care what the runouts are or feeler gauge work said prior to assembly...you have to turn them by hand (post assembly) to get a feel for what's wrong. It's amazing science but a huge gearbox can be turned by hand and if even a small imperfection is present, you can feel it when rotating by hand. I had one that the idle speed increased after we aligned it...not much...but noticeable...it even rattled the flex plate and this boat had been "aligned" by a Marina with the PO. New CC's are very well aligned so someone at the Factory knows what they are doing and how important it is. (Not wanting to rant...and I own a new CC also...but I always hear new owners complain about a st*tch in a seam being off or some other trivial BS and although we pay a lot of money when you look at all the really cool design in these boats I quickly shut-up, start the engine and enjoy...better not to sweat the samll stuff) The alignement is not small stuff IMHO. Turn the Tranny by hand with the prop shaft disconnected. Now turn the prop shaft by hand while disconnected. Simply stated, when you connect them there should be no great difference in the feel. |
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JEFF KOSTIS ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: April-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 817 |
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Jim, The prop is by far the smoooothest prop I have ever used. I tried it on both boats and run anywhere from 4500-4700 rpm WOT. I just didnt allow the rpms go up fast from take-off not allowing the secondaries to open until youre doing almost 30 mph (If I recall correctly). It just felt like there was no slippage at take-off to allow the engine to put out some HP with some RPM behind it. The other props allow the engine to rev up to 3200 rpm immediately on take-off.
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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Jeff, can't help you too much on the VR3B. Looks like a 12.5" Dia. x 15" Pitch with a 1" bore and .105" cup. How does it run?
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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I have to correct an earlier post in this thread for accuracy in regards to backing with the new 540 prop.
I took the boat out this afternoon for about 30 minutes and I was incorrect when I said the boat no longer pulled the aft to the port (left) when backing slowly. It backs about the same as before and maybe even with a little more pull to the left than before. I was paying more attention to that this afternoon.(Once you learn to deal with this effect you can put it to good use when docking or turning the boat around.) I think we have one more day of nice weather and then I will pull the boat out of the water and again change out the props. I have flip flopped. If I get no offers I will go ahead and have the prop trimmed and make a new post on the results. (I would rather sell the prop in new condition rather then trim it however.) Thanks fellows on the tips on engine alignment. |
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JEFF KOSTIS ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: April-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 817 |
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Well guys, I pulled my onvoice and found out that my prop is a 12.50X15.000VR3B 1.00 .105 prop. Thats what my invoice says exactly. What is this???
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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79, you adjusted the jack screws with the engine running?
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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I would aggree this is a good starting point if nothing else, but it does make since, provided that the stuffness is form the coupler and not internal to the tranny or stuffing box. I guess you could loosen the stuffing box and slide it up the shaft some to eleminate it as a possible cause.
I did mine by starting off using the feeler gauge at the coupling and then by feel when I drove it. I backed off the jam nuts and then cranked on the jack screws with an adjustable a little at a time until I could not feel any vibration in the wheel or seat. And stairing at the DD well just distract you from the job at hand so horray up and get'r done and go back to the important stuff... the DD's |
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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Really, turn the prop by hand to see if it has a tight spot? Does that confirm a misalignment? My drive line does indeed have a tight spot when I turn the shaft. Does everyone agree with this "test" for alignment? I need to know. Thanks 64!!!
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64 Skier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: February-08-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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I have not read the alignment procedure, but we pre-alignened with a feeler gauge. Then tightened the flange bolts. After that I rotated the prop by hand and it had a tough spot so my son moved each mount until it was free to rotate.
Be carefull, that new prop is sharp(sharper than me anyway)and I cut the hell out of my hand! So JIH, in summary you have a Doubel D in your vibrating boat....let's wait for 79Nauty to chime in.... |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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If you do have to go with a single taper shaft pay close attaintion to where the set screws are relative to the keyway. The old shaft I took off the set-screws where 90 degrees to the keyway, the new one that I got from aliquin & argonaut (not sure if I got the name spelled or completely right) but it's set screws where 120 degrees apart relative to the keyway and the shaft was pimpled where the screws where as well. This type arrangement is better than the 90 degree version but double taper is the way to go. Just take your time and get that vibration fixed.
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GottaSki ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: April-21-2005 Location: NE CT Status: Offline Points: 3365 |
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I concur, shaft alignment is very critical.
My particular boat is super smooth because I can adjust the engine precicely within an 1/8-turn on any of the mounts; but that is only possible because it has a double-taper shaft. That precision is rarely repeateble on single-taper hardware because the setscrews skew the coupling - evidenced by rotating the shaft 180 degrees and the alignment goes 'off' again'. One can chase it to no end. Jim also mentions previously bending parts but I forget if he replaced the shaft. If you do, go double-taper. Also lap the prop to the shaft, as well as mark the shaft where the prop seats without a keyway to verify that when you add the keystock, it doesn't bind and prevent a good seat, skewing the prop. |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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J_I_H I went back and looked at your intial post and you said you have a vibration and hoped the prop would help, don't know if anyone else as mentioned it but you need to adjust the shaft alignment before you break the shaft. The vibration is from mis-alignment and the ACME props well only make it worse since they grap so much more due to the surface area. I would think a 12.5 x 12.5 with .06 cup would be a better match for you, it looks like it pull back to much rpm and you need to be back up around 4800 rpm's
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jbear ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-21-2005 Location: Lake Wales FL. Status: Offline Points: 8193 |
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Now that we're talkin' double D's and double C's we got a post I can understand as opposed to all that electrical stuff last week.
J_I_H; I think I've got a radio in the '80 but not sure what its for. Can't hear it with the motor running. And I thought tubes were for pulling kids on. john |
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Mark Mel ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September-16-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 583 |
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I was thinking of a 540 for my '78 SN. Anyone with a 351 and a 540?
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64 Skier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: February-08-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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I put the new 542 prop on and the boat quit porpoising. SS201 told me the pitch can make the boat run different in the water whcih is what cured the porpoise. After the prop job I removed the foam and performance just got better....but now I need fat sac's for wakeboarding.
I read Keith's article again and his test was with a 4V 302. That's about 70 more HP than an old 289. JIH, you can make that 289 push that prop using pump gas. The real beauty of the old Correct Crafts is that Double D's dig Double C's...now matter how they run! |
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reidp ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-06-2003 Location: Mooresville, NC Status: Offline Points: 1804 |
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Jim, I change and swap my props like underwear, always looking for that perfect combo for an specific boat. And no two boats, esp the old ones, ever seem to be identical in terms of performance characteristics, regardless of whether they popped out of the same mold. Drove me nuts for years thinkin I had an engine problem or whatever, when the same engine didn't run as fast when I stuck it in what I thought was an identical Mustang. 64, if you added the 540 as part of the same project as removing the soaked foam, the heavy foam could have been the likely cause of the porpoising, as it definitely was on mine.
On replacing a Mich/Fed with an OJ, keep in mind that they may not interchange/swap size for size in terms of pitch, in that the OJ has the aft or negative rake. A 12x13 OJ turns the same rpm on mine as a 12x14 Fed/Mich. Check out this quick cheat sheet address on props. http://www.deltaprop.com/anatomy.htm And the AMCE based on this should keep the nose down better than a OJ. But bow up means speed in my book so I'm OK with a little bounce. Goin for that Jersey Speed Skiff look... |
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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Yeh 64, I think the 540 is just too much prop for my boat - that's the bottom line. A think a 12 x 12 works well - I think I just need to find a new 12 x 12 with the right amount of cup.
Do they make a 12 x 12 with a double D cup? I kinda like those. |
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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Hey Stang, yeh. I just got a new EICO 1950ish Vintage AF-4 Single Ended Stereo. I opened the box and found the amp still in factory plastic wrap - never opened. More old cr*p to go with the rest of my old cr*p. But I love it. (If a radio doesn't have tubes in it it just ain't worth havin'.)
Thanks for the offer on the Federal props - I think I'm going to look for a new OJ. Send me $315 + $12 for shipping and I'll send you a new ACME 540 in the factory box. |
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