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GottaSki
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Posted: June-01-2006 at 7:07am |
Carb gut is a hack, there is no reason to take them off...You can get J-tubes from BLP or skidim.
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abolton
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My carb guy gave me some bla bla bla about not being able to save my J-tube vents on the carb. What is the best way to add on some J-tubes to the existing necks he gave back to me? The rear tube is very short to go over can I go inside? Maybe press fit some SS fuel line in the rear tube and press fit some ss fuel line over the front tube. The look glued in.
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79nautique
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You really didn't want to drill a hole through the arrestor now a flame has a path to shoot through it even though you added the fitting it will travel through the fitting and can melt the hose, it may not do it the first time but the second or third it will and if there is vapor in the line it will ignite as well and melt the tubing the first time.
The way it is done is a flat piece of metal is bent over the top and spot welded in place that has the fitting on it so that it is flush with the outside of the arrestor and does not pass through it. Allowing the vaccum of the carb to draw the vapor from the hose but preventing the flame in case of a backfire to reach the tubing and any fuel or fuel vapor from igniting. Be very carefull and fix it correctly very soon. |
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waketique78
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SHE'S BACK IN ACTION. well i replaced the fuel pump, drilled a hole in the flame arrestor. Put a fitting in there, and ran the back up hose to it. Took it on the the water and wakeboarded for 2 hours. Thanks for all the help guys
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1978 Ski Tique, Skylon, Fatseat And Sacs for ballast
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Atmspltr
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I think it's there in case the diaphragm in the pump ruptures, it routes the leaking fuel to the carb for safe disposal vs. being dumped into the bilge to become a fire hazard. Automotive fuel pumps don't have that 'thingy'.
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TRBenj
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Out of curiosity, what is the purpose of that tube running to the flame arrestor?
If I replace my flame arrestor, does it need a special fitting to have that line plumbed in? My boat is 2 hrs away, so I cant take a look at at how the line is run. |
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waketique78
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okay, thats what I was wondering, cuz currenly my boat doesn't have that set up, but I guess once I get the pump on there I should be able to figure it out. thanks
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1978 Ski Tique, Skylon, Fatseat And Sacs for ballast
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79nautique
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I believe that is where the clear tube goes to the flame arrestor. the other two are the inlet and out let of the fuel pump.
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waketique78
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okay, i do believe that that is the fuel pump i need. i guess my question is, where do I run the line to from the outlet on the top of the pump, here is a pick of what i am talking about. My pump now has the sedement bowl, this pump obviously eliminates that bowl.
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1978 Ski Tique, Skylon, Fatseat And Sacs for ballast
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jimbo
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I replaced the fuel pump on my '84 Commander 351W a couple of months ago. Like Yak3, Iby all my parts from Skidim.com. I've always have a good experience with them. Here's the link to the pump I bought:
http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RA080002A Don't forget the 10% discount! |
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pswann
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I find it easier to cut the problem in half by hooking an external gas can directly to the fuel pump. I use a piece of gas line into a 5 gallon gas tank for the lawn mower. Then you go up to the carb if you still have problems or back to the filter and tank if it runs fine. Just takes a minute and also takes nasty gas out of the picture as well. Good luck!
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waketique78
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i talked to the guys down there and they weren't to sure what I needed, so thats why I asked on here. I also have the guy at midwest correct craft talkin to his mechanics and is gonna give me a call on monday with what he finds out. But i just wanted to see if anyone here has gone through the same deal as me
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Yak3
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i have a 302, haven't yet replaced the fuel pump, but have replaced just about everything else. I just use skidim for engine parts. You'll get a good chunk of people screaming and laughing that you got ripped off by .04 or whatever, but talk to Vince there, and he'll make sure you get what you need. One thing I'd look at doing is, if you don't already have it, is a solid metal fuel line between the pump and the carb. While your at it, putting in a fuel pressure gauge between the two would be pretty easy. http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RA080002A is the link for the product I think. Hope that helps, and if you type CCFan or something in the discount code, you get 10% off a single purchase per year.
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waketique78
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ok well i have decided on a new fuel pump, but no one seems to be able to tell me what I need to get to make sure the fuel pump will work with my boat. If anyone out there that has a commander 302 and has replaced there fuel pump recently could tell me what and where they got it, i would appreciate it. thanks
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79nautique
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there is it's a safety issue, like skyhawker said get a re-build kit for the pum p you have or get a new marine fuel pump.
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waketique78
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well i put a pressure gauge on it and got nothing. I am curious as to if there is any difference between a normal fuel pump and a marinized one? i wouldn't see why there would be. If anyone could let me know I would appreciate it. thanks
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skyhawkflyer
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I agree with JIH. Fuel can gravity flow to the water seperator, so having fuel present doesn't mean anything with regards to the pumps condition.
Looking at the picture, that pump is rebuildable. A new pump kit should be available from CorrectCraft. Change the diaphrams and your good to go. |
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Jim_In_Houston
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My vote is that the problem is with the fuel pump or the filter screen on the carb intake. It could also be a stuck float valve in the carb.
Just because you have fuel in your fuel filter or water seprerator does not indicate a good fuel pump. I would recommend this in this order: Remove the fuel inlet hose to the carb, remove the large nut on the carb where the fuel hose connects to the carb and remove and inspect the thin filter screen. You will see what I mean when you remove the large nut. I think it is about 13/16" or 7/8" in size. Replace the fuel pump. They are not expensive and it doesn't hurt to throw a new pump on anyway. If the engine still does not get fuel and you have fuel at the water seperator rebuild the carb. You can get a fuel pressure gauge, install it and test fuel pump pressure but I think the cost of a new fuel pump is not that much more expensive (I think) so why not just throw on a new pump? Keep us posted. Someone on this site will point to the problem and the fix. |
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waketique78
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they are correct, besides the boat has been working for all of last year and has been driven twice this year, so everything is def. facing the right way
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79nautique
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double check the hose connections on the seperater and make sure they are tight and that they are going in the right direction. There should be a couple of arrows on the casting indicating the flow direction.
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waketique78
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ok well i tried starting the engine, and it filled the fuel/water seperator but no fuel came out of the hose connected to the carb. So I assume the the pump is working, because it is puttin fuel from the tank to the filter, but the filter is keeping it from moving the rest of the way up. So I am going to replace the filter and see where that puts me
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waketique78
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I also wanted to mention as well that there is nothing in the sediment bowl, its just old and discolored and the picture makes it look like there might be something it in.
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waketique78
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yeah my sediment bowl certainly reads "if gas APPEARS replace fuel pump" and gas has not appeared in it. I am checking all the hoses right now to make sure nothing is clogged
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skyhawkflyer
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Man I haven't seen a sediment bowl since I was on the farm as a kid. Our International tractor had one that would catch dirt and water from the tank. Depending on how it's installed it could be used to filter or indicate pump failure. If it's installed as Yak3 describes then it would take the place of the clear hose on the newer style pumps. At any rate, something isn't right in that picture!
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Yak3
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On my 79 cc, I thought there was a card in there that says if there IS anything in the bowl to replace the pump.
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skyhawkflyer
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By looking at that picture it appears that your sediment bowl is not full, or is that water on the bottom? That bowl should be full to the top at all times. Loosen the thumb wheel, dump and clean the bowl and reinstall. Don't tighten with pliars or you'll break the glass bowl. Crank the engine and the bowl should fill quickly with fuel giving you an idea if your fuel pump is any good.
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79nautique
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it's not really a filter or it's primary function isn't to filter the gas, it's to seperate the water from the gas and hold the water in the filter media and allow the gasoline to flow throught. Might take the glass balb apart on the side of the pump and clean it before you replace the pump just encase it's the problem
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waketique78
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ok so that is the fuel pump. My initial thought was that it was the fuel pump, the only reason i 2nd guessed myself is that I thought if would of been before the "filter" Yeah I will fire it up and see if I get fuel, but like i said, when i poured gas down the carb and started it, she fired right up, so the carb shouln't be the problem. thanks for the help
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79nautique
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in the lower picture where the orange housing is, that's the fuel and water seperator replace it with a new one, alot of people call it a fuel filter and it's really not. In the upper picture that is the fuel pump and most likely what you need to replace. disconnect the line at the carb and crank the engine and see if you get any fuel out of the line or connect a pressure gauge and see what the pressure is. If you have 5-7 psi of fuel pressure then your carb has a major proplem if you have less that that pressure then you need to replace the fuel pump
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waketique78
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Well I am only 22 so all of my fuel knowledge lies in Fuel Injection some maybe some of you wiser guys could give me a hand with my 78 ski tique. My brother in law fired it up the other day and it ran for like 30 seconds than quit. Then never started again. First thing I thought was fuel filter, so I pulled that, and the it was full of fuel, so it doesn't seem to be that or the fuel pump. Also does anyone know if these engines have electric fuel pumps? I don't hear the pump turn on with the ignition but I also noticed the fuel hose runs directly from the tank to the filter. After the filter it travels up to the part that I am thinkin might be a water/fuel seperator, but am not sure. here is a few pictures I have taken. If anybody can give me any help I would really appreciate it. BTW, i did put some fuel directly down the carb and it fired, so I know the problem lies between the filter and the carb.
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