Can I replace a 351 with a 302 in 1993 |
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Bri892001
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The Above and Beyond logo reminds me of the Air Nautique logo:
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KRoundy
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I want to see the Waterski team! What a cool video.
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jbear
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yup...can see why now... Thanx HW...but how you find some of this stuff is amazin' john |
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Hollywood
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No but I do remember my buddy in high school emailing casinos asking for playing cards to teach kids mathematics and odds. He got boxes and boxes of free cards.
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GottaSki
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Anyone else remember the 'Reverend Shred' series of water-ski t-shirts?
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
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KRoundy
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Yup - that is a '93. A little rough, but more than I started with. You can save this boat. Do the things suggested here and report back to us. Take some photos and post them here of the engine, the freeze plugs, the exhaust manifolds, etc... You'll be surprised what can be fixed and brought back to a shine on that hull and swim platform.
Congrats, and welcome to the no-wood-stringers club! We are happy to have you on board. |
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jbear
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wow..nice.
someone 'gave' that boat to you...you must be a heck of a Pastor! get it running 1st...then you can address the looks. john |
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Orlando76
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Ah, teflon coated pylon. Missed it.
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TRBenj
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Nah, there was some decal bleed over from 92 to 93. Pylon and port coaming pad are more telling.
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Orlando76
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I thought the "World Championship Ski Nautique" on the transom was prior to '93.
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TRBenj
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It's a 93.
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Orlando76
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What's the last two numbers of the hull ID (just under platform, right hand side)? I don't think you have a '93.
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Dreaming
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looks like you have a standard rotation engine, and a 1.23:1 transmission. This boat is not a "scrappy" as described earlier in this thread.
before you go any further, you need to do some troubleshooting... visually first. - check the "casting"(freeze) plugs that are around the perimeter of the engine... if they are pushed out, you have likely had a freeze situation. I suspect from your location that this is not likely, but they are easily repaired by putting in a new brass set. (replacing does not mean the problem is repaired, but this is the first step) - look at the exhaust manifolds (black triangles on the side of the engine) , this is a good place to start with your testing... Pull the manifold assy, and pressure test the manifolds. there are several threads on how to do this, but there is a picture thread in the FAQ section (see CCF FAQ thread) Once you determine if the manifolds leak or not, report back and we can give some additional direction. You'll need some new gaskets to put this all back together, you can get them from Zach @ n3 boatworks, or skidim, Christines marine, etc... BTW, you'll want to soak the manifold bolts in some sort of penetrant for a few days, and possibly use an impact wrench to pull the manifolds. this may be the most difficult part of the repair, but can be done. broken bolts may come with the territory, but not necessarily a guarantee.... welcome aboard, and congratulations on a fine machine... several rough ones have appeared from time to time, once repaired, they seem to be well loved. |
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Pastor Ken Mahan
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jbear
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could not see them...can you follow GaryS suggestion & just post the pics here in the thread? john |
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KRoundy
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Ken - can you upload the photos to this thread. If you don't know how to do that there is a link in the FAQ in the Boat Maintenance section. You can also hit the little arrow that points up and to the right in the Quick Reply box (where you type replies). This brings up at full reply window and in that window is a picture upload button. Click that and upload your pictures.
Or email them to me and I will post them here so we can all start to help you know how to fix your boat. Let's get that thing on the water! |
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Pastor Ken Mahan
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I uploaded the pictures to my profile.
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ArtCozier
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OK, I'm kinda slow, but now I get it. I failed to notice that it wasn't the original poster who said he has a scrappy. My bad.
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TRBenj
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Engine rotation may not matter to the pastor but I would imagine that minimizing costs might be. In which case, it would be most cost effective to replace the block and rotating assembly with the equivalent size and rotation as what was there previously, else all of the other parts needed, from oil pan to accessories, starter, distributor, prop, etc etc etc will NOT swap over, and that can get very expensive.
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Hollywood
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Engine rotation is probably pretty far down the list in repairing a donated boat.
Yes, you can put a 302 in. You could go smaller too but you will need a certain amount of power to do what the boat was intended to do. |
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8122pbrainard
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I was trying to explain that to Art! |
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Bri892001
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Actually, we still don't know if the original poster has a Scrappy. I just pointed out that I had one, to show that they're out there, even if they're somewhat rare.
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ArtCozier
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Pete, my intent in that post was to explain to you why there was a '93 with a RH engine. Your post previous to that sounded as though you didn't know that the engine rotation has been settled because now there is no doubt that it is a Scrappy.
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8122pbrainard
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Art,
The OP (pastor Ken) is the one wanting to replace his supposed "blown" engine and why the RH/LH rotation came up. Brian stated he has a scrappy but that was simply a confirmation on a RH with a 1:1 in his boat. I still hope Pastor Ken gets us some more information as well as pictures. |
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ArtCozier
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Pete, it's what we referred to as a "scrappy" Ski Nautique. After we went to the reduction gear trannie using LH engines, some diehards (like me) favored building a reduced-cost SN using a 1:1 gear. It was offered with no options, and standard was a 351 RH on a Warner 1:1. That's what he has. (see posts above)
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"Art"
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8122pbrainard
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I hope we hear from pastor Ken to find out what engine/trans package he has.
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ArtCozier
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Ah, I'm glad that we cleared that one up! I need to learn to think faster before I jump into these threads. Now you have another option..... Put a LH 351 in it and a 1.23 (IRM40A) transmission. If it was mine, I'd want to stay with the 1 to 1!
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"Art"
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Bri892001
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My boat is actually a Scrappy. I haven't seen too many others though.
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ArtCozier
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BTW, for those who might be interested, on the PCM 1..23 : 1 reduction gear, 40A the "A" stands for "Angle" because the input shaft is at a 5 degree angle to the output shaft.
The 1 : 1 is a 40I (as in capital "I") is for "In-Line." |
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ArtCozier
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Great point, Kevin. I completely missed that angle. O-76 makes a good point also, in the early days of reduction gears and LH engines, we did make what was referred to as the "scrappy", a plain-Jane boat with a 1:1 transmission and a RH engine. Not many of them out there, but certainly a possibility. The engine model number will tell the whole story. I don't recall when PCM changed their model number system, but I think all the Fords are under the old system. If so, a PL prefix is LH and a PR is RH.
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