Ski pylon

Jacob,
Welcome to CCfan. It's always great to add another member from overseas.

Do you happen to know this member? If not, get in touch with him. Kristoff has been with us for some time and is one of the many fantastic members.

HW is correct. posting the diameter of your pylon will allow us to answer your question better.

Do you have any pictures you can post of the boat? We always ask!

We can't answer that without info on the mount and the pylon you have. The SDBM is a 2.5" diameter bar and most extended pylons are made to slip over that size.

I have skied on an O'Brien World Team Comp for the past 25 years. I would say I am a good skier, not a course skier. When I bought my boat the guy threw in an HO ski that may be aliitle to big for me but there is a big difference between the two. Easier to get up with the HO and I think better control. I haven't gone back the the O'Brien. If I ever get a day off I'll have to try both and report back.

Well if Larry is added to the list of famous CCF Tubers that just about seals it, I need a tube! Any day now I expect Pete to come out of the tubing closet

Don there is no negotiating on price the line behind you is just too long. It is because everyone knows that it's very rare to find a Correct Craft that has never been used at Cypress Gardens.

First time I skied a composite/fiberglass ski I hated it, could ski way better on the basic woody I was used to. 30 years and numerous fancy pants composite slalom ski's later put me on an intermediate or wood ski and I hate it, can push it all over the place.
To your point Larry, do believe what you are used to makes you a better skier however the latest and greatest gear out there now is some pretty amazing stuff from boats to bindings and everything in between.

sure it was

But imagine what he coulda done on a new ski....

Many years ago I was standing on shore with a friend, and his brother overdid his landing, hit the rocks at speed, flew out of the ski, and tumbled to a stop on the shale; his brother went running, presumably to check on his brother, but then kept on running right past him yelling "oh no, my Joe Cash!!!"....

Funny you mention Joe Cash. I was thinking it was a Joe Cash picture that had the caption about 300 pound pull. I was wrong on two counts. It was a Billy Spencer (1963 world champ) picture with the caption, and it was 460 pounds, not 300. Here are the two pics out of an old book I have (that one day I will have to return to my high school library, I am guessing)





Seeing the picture of Joe Cash kind of reminds me of a pet peeve I have. I kind of chuckle at weekend warriors that think they have to go out and buy a $1500 ski because it will make them better. Yet look what Joe Cash could do on a flat wooden ski. I think just about everyone who is free skiing would be just fine on an O'Brien World Team Comp. I know, the flamers will tell me better equipment helps and makes it easier to progress, but I would contend a lot of people spend a lot of money on equipment that is a lot better then they are or ever will be. Not a complaint or criticism by any means, just an observation. (from a guy who is notoriously cheap, just ask HW about my awesome rope collection.)

Oh I don't think that's how he really meant it either, I was just offering a kind out...

I wonder how time and equipment advances play into it also. Would the cut a guy like Joe Cash might have made on a wood ski with rudimentary bindings have had a more or less violent effect on the boat than the cut a modern competitor makes with a high tech ski and 2 big boots? You might think the new guys cuts are more radical, but in actuality perhaps are smoother? Hmmmmm. .....

Guess you'd have to find some old video or compare tournament stats old vs new.

75 Tique wrote: 8122pbrainard wrote: 8 teenage skiers on two skis isn't even equal to 1 full size adult on 1 ski. I'm having a little trouble buying this. I've never seen a slalom skier who knows what he is doing, do anything but pop right up behind any inboard. Say that's about 175-200 pounds. Eight (smaller) skiers is going on 1000 pounds or better. Any group ski I have seen with 4, 5, 6, or more, it takes a little bit of work on the part of the boat and a few yards to get them all up. The use the lifting ring for pulling argument will live on. Many say they've seen it done for ever, especially on the older boats without pylons, will argue their point and folks who have seen some spider cracks will argue their point. But like many of the extreme positions held here, lets be reasonable. To say a boat shouldn't be tied to a dock with the lifting rings because they are for lifting only, is just plain silly.

Actually, I think Pete may be trying to make the point that it's not so much the getting up, but the tremendous stress created when an accomplished slalom skier makes an agressive cut, but it would take an engineer to determine ultimately how that would compare to the aggregate weight of multiple skiers.

My comment on tying off to the bow ring was simply a sarcastic smarta#! remark about an earlier thread that somehow recommended not using the factory equipped cleats on a Southwind. Of course many boats do not have cleats, including my Century; on which we have been tying up to the front ring for 40 years.

For the longest time Correct Craft used the same method for horizontal stabilization of the lifting ring as the pylon. 2 pieces of 3/4" plywood. I would rather tow another boat off the lifting ring than the pylon. Both can being overloaded if you tow too fast, but there's a lot more leverage applied to the pylon.

The ski pylons were optional on most of the boats up until the 70's. Plenty of people have pulled from the rear lifting ring, including my family that had a '67 Cuda for 10 years. We never had any stress cracks. No doubt some boats get them, but they also show up in other areas of the deck, like the corners of the back seat.

Bow eyes were optional also, and many people moored their boats from the front lifting ring.

Well, there ya go, case in point,...... thanks Doc!

Reminds me of another thread which strongly debunked the use of the four beefy correct craft factory-installed cleats for tying up...... as they are purportedly ill-equipped for such purpose; and recommending the use of the apparently vertical-pull only lifting eyes for dock lines instead. ......

8122pbrainard wrote: 74Wind wrote: my brother used the rear ring on a 72 Southwind for many years, with up to 8 skiers, on a very frequent basis, as they live on the lake. Jeff, 8 teenage skiers on two skis isn't even equal to 1 full size adult on 1 ski. Sorry but your logic won't make me change my mind. Have you ever even looked at how the aft ring is fastened to the transom?

Weird assumption,   never said anything about teenagers......ages 8-65 last time as I recall, fun stuff.

Like I said, i don't argue with prevailing wisdom, and of course it's better for the boat off a pylon Pete.   Just seen a whole lotta skiing off the ring on a whole bunch of old inboards, many wood, in my lifetime, and never once ever heard, or seen, a peep about any resulting damage, just hearsay. Like I asked. ..got actual proof or pics?

Skiing has been around since long before the advent of the pylon and not all old boats were so equipped.....think Joe Cash ever refused a pull from the ring?

Yes sir I agree with you when I got the boat and noticed it was loose I removed tank to see what it would take to fix it and it's pretty apparent that it's not a very strong design for anything but upward force I was shocked and scratching my head at why they would make it that way but once it was explained that it's not for towing I understood why completely