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MaddMarxx
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Posted: May-24-2007 at 6:03pm |
Mojo...I put it on along with a new Holley fuel pump, so I am not sure which one made the difference, but my mid range power picked up some! more fuel + more air flow = more HP!! At 119 dollars it seems like alot but you have to see it in person, it looks awsome!!
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Mojo
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Hey MMaxx,
Bumping the thread to see how the K&N is working for ya??? I need to make a switch as well and was just wondering if the CFM's were the same, restricted or otherwise... Since you haven't reported, I'm assuming that life is good??? Moj' |
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JR_VIC
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I remeber looking at that arrestor from Rex marine bu it said it was 3" high and with my new Weiand intake being taller I could not go more than 2" overall max heighth. Is this one in fact 3" overall max heighth?
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MaddMarxx
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TRB...Thats the place, it was $119 with free shipping, and it looks way better then you can see in the PIC, its real shiney,it comes in three diffrent designs,(Electic)(flame)(scalloped) its a heavy billet, not cheap at all. The low profile one thats on the boat now is going to jbear, but I do have the originl taller one somewhere!
backfoot..thanks, we will see if does anything on Sat when you guys get here! the next thing is a air vent handle for better airflow, also from (rex marine) |
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79nautique
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John is your boat still at the storage place down the road from harbor side? or do you have it at the house? I was thinking of meeting you at the boat storage, I remember how to get there still.
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jbear
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MM; That is sweet lookin' Am I gonna need one of them?
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TRBenj
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Eric, Im guessing he got it here. If you get a new arrestor, I would be very interested in purchasing your original. |
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wakeboardin2k4
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Maddmarxx, how much did that cost you? That is a sweet looking arrestor.
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backfoot100
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That is one Bad a$$ lookin' topper. That should really look sweet under the cover. Definitely let us know if that thing does anything for you. I might have to figure out some way to get one to fit under my cover.
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MaddMarxx
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Just got it today, this thing is SICK
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JR_VIC
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TRBenj...I'll try to take pics of my current set-up but after I changed to the Weiand my box would not shut either. I was able to do two things that gave me the clearance I needed to shut the lid. First I ordered a 1" poly spacer from Summit with a rear PCV port on the back similar to the OEM PCM version so that saved me 3/4". I then found a part number from Barbron that is 7" in diameter and a max heighth of 2" and looks close to the stock one. I can now shut my hood but this flame arrestor still is close to stock heighth so I am hoping it will not hurt CFM's. I'll take pics in a few days and post up.
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MaddMarxx
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I ordered a K&N custom-66 flame arrestor from Rex marine its dimensions are 11-7/8 x 8-3/8 x 3"hi Its low but I dont think air flow will be restricted!!
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TRBenj
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Waterdog, the flame arrestor I have should be the same exact size as the one on the 454 (8" diameter, 2" tall). Its actually the same Barbaron arrestor with a different style top. If you look closely, I have both the fuel line and breather hose fittings. I figure if it can flow enough air for a big block, then it can flow enough for my modified small block. |
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Waterdog
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TRBenj
Did you see the flame arrester on 87BFN's that eric is working on? The 454 flame arrester looks bigger in dia.,lower in profile and has a fuel vent! |
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TRBenj
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The spacer should also help performance, so I would prefer to keep it. I also plan to keep the PCV set up- and although Ive heard it works fine plumbing it to the intake, Ive also heard it can lean out that cylinder. PCM put it on the spacer for a reason, so I'll keep it there. If I couldnt find a shorter arrestor before spring, my plan was to use a 1/2" spacer with a PCV port to gain a little clearance.
Raising the motorbox to make more clearance for everything would be the best solution- but I think the shorter arrestor is a decent compromise, especially since it has increased filter area compared to the stock unit. |
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TRB, the PCV can be plumbed into the intake ,you don't have to use that spacer.a simple fitting is all that is needed on the rear of the intake.Have done several with no problem.Chose to do away with the PCV on my stroker,just used two vented breather caps on each v/cover ran these to the flame arrester.Works great w/ no blow by....................boat dr
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TRBenj
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You may be right- I probably could raise the box an inch and still be OK. For now Id rather play it safe than cause any wear on the new interior vinyl. I was originally thinking of getting a taller pylon (DD Barefoot Nautiques had pylons that were ~6" taller) and raising the motorbox a few inches. Since so many here are running shorter arrestors without complaints, I decided that would be a simpler solution. |
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backfoot100
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TRBenj; You might be surprised. The boat actually still gets a rearward cant when underway. Even though the rope may be even with the top of the motor box at idle, as soon as you take off, you would probably have a couple of inches to spare for raising the motor box if that's the interferance measurement that you're referring to. |
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backfoot100
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ROFL !!!!!!! It's not quantity, it's quality! |
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TRBenj
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Doc, I looked at a lot of marine flame arrestors, but never saw a single one that lists a CFM flow rate. Like I noted earlier, this arrestor was installed on many big blocks straight from PCM, so it shouldnt be overly restrictive. Although the overall height is lower, the filter area is larger than the one it replaces. Raising the motorbox would interfere with the pylon, so that wasnt an option. Removing the 1" spacer creates another problem (where to plumb the PCV) and could potentially hurt performance as well. What other options should I have considered? |
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jbear
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Eddie: I too need a couple more inches. If ya find them somewhere please share the info with me, ok?
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backfoot100
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Good question Doc. If you read anything into K&N's site, performance increases as the air is smoothed and turbulence decreases. Now I also understand that they're trying to sell product, but I've also read that same thing in performance books. Low profile air filters can normally (but not always) produce lower performance because the air has to turn a sharper corner to get into the carb and they generally have a smaller surface area for the air to get through unless you get a significantly larger diameter. This can be smoothed somewhat by installing a stubstack but really the best performance gains can be achieved with a larger diameter and slightly taller filter as a general rule (as it relates to carburated or TBI type applications). I'm certainly no rocket scientist though. That's why I really wanted to try one of these things if I could get one to fit under my engine cover. All I would need is another couple of inches.
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boat dr
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I may be out of line on this question but here goes....
Install a high lift, longer duration cam ,taller and better breathing intake,GT 40 or good heads match the ports upgrade the ignition system,longer and hotter spark the list goes on and on.... Then i install a low profile flame arrester that does not list the CFM flow rate.How well and how much will this restrict flow?????? boat dr |
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backfoot100
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I hear ya. What the hell isn't pricey from K&N. They have some good stuff though. Interesting about what the Donzi boy's think about 'em. Those are some Go Fast dudes so I would a$$ume they know what they're talking about. |
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TRBenj
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Backfoot, I was looking into those adapters if I couldnt find an arrestor with the proper fittings. I would think they might be tough to squeeze onto a metal mesh element though (as opposed to the flexible K&N media). Theyre pricey too, at $15-20 ea.
The K&N's sure look nice with their chrome tops, but theyre tall- I believe the shortest marine version they have is 3.75". I dont think anyone here has any experience with them, but they arent very popular over at the Donzi forums. They say they provide no extra airflow compared to a stock arrestor, so they arent worth the price. |
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backfoot100
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Holy crap, it worked!!!!! Thanks for the posting tip BKH!!!!!!
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backfoot100
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K&N marine flame arrester
Damn, we'll see if this works now. TRBenj and anyone else who cares, K&N has exactly what you're looking for. Just scroll down to Marine Vent Hose Adapters. You obviously already have your particular issue fixed, but maybe someone else might need this for future reference. I was actually going to get a K&N flame arrester for my boat because I absolutely love their air filters in car/truck applications. After I put my intake on though I have like 1/8" clearance of my motor box now. Has anyone else used these? I would really like hear about results if they have. |
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TRBenj
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I thought I would bring this thread full circle. I found an arrestor on a boat being sold on ebay, and the owner let me swap with him. This is the same SS flame arrestor that SkiDIM used to sell as their "low profile" unit, but was discontinued a year or 2 ago. I discovered the same arrestor was also offered on several Nautiques in the mid-late 80's, primarily big blocks and for some reason, many '88 Ski Nautiques. I wanted this arrestor in particular because it was slightly shorter, larger in diameter, stainless steel, and had both fittings I need (5/8" breather and 1/4" fuel line).
It is 8" in diameter and 2" tall, with no neck- so the element is a full 2". The original arrestor on my boat was only 6.5" in diameter. It was 3" tall, with a 2" element and a 1" neck. I expect the new unit to flow just as well (maybe better?) due to the increased filter area. Best of all, I can now close my motorbox! Before: After: |
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GottaSki
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Don't forget to fully evaluate how much the primary choke horn is restricted by a low-profile FA, the extra low pressure created can not only decrease airflow, but also richen the jetting causing it to run poorly. If your plugs are suddenly getting sooted up when running on the primaries at ski speeds, you now know what could be going on...
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TRBenj
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Thanks 79, thats actually the same one I linked to in my original post- it appears we are back where we started!
I actually found one that is 2" tall with all the fittings here. You have to scroll down about half way and look for part number 3745649 for a Chrysler (short type). Thanks to everyone for their input! |
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