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DHMcFadin
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Turns out I already have the 300m. Are there any other hardware upgrades I can make to this engine. I have seen threads throwing around 400 hp but there is no context. Is there anything else I can do to get the horsepower up?
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KENO
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Send it to Joe, we seem to do all our R&D on his boat |
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lewy2001
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The GT40 uses batch fire injector firing and this likes a nice rich idle mixture. I spent many hours playing with idle mixture and timing on my Megasquirt DIY setup. Had always planned to change to sequential firing but have never got around to it maybe this year There is no power advantage with sequential fire injectors just a better idle.
From memory when I went above 13:1 the idle was erratic around 12.5 to 12.8 seemed to produce the best idle with a bit more timing. If I get time I will bolt my O2 sensor and EEC1V back on and see what the difference there is in the 290 compared to the 300 tune. Maybe just send it all over to Keno he loves R & D |
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gt40KS
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Right now I'm running the computer I put together with the add on chip and the 300 tune. Most of the reason I opted to try this was the possibility of evening out the idle. I first ran the new engine on the 300, then for comparison switched back to its stock 290 computer. Honestly, I really couldn't tell any difference between the two and it really did nothing for the idle. I have switched back to the modified computer with the 300 tune but certainly not because of any perceptible performance gains. More because, as Rusty says it's supposed to be a better, upgraded tune which I took to mean the air/ fuel mix, timing and the like was more refined.
Performance increase? No. Better fuel economy? Not that I can tell. Smoother, more consistent idle? Hard to say for me since I had what seems to be a host of problems causing idle issues. They appear to be solved now but was it at least partially due to the tune? Anybody's guess. |
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Rlbarrasjr
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Best I can tell is it's a safer tune. A little richer and better idle. You probably won't notice any power difference
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DHMcFadin
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Does the 300m give the engine a little more umph?
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Rlbarrasjr
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My understanding from everything I've been through is that 300M is a better tune and can be used on the older models and benefit.
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DHMcFadin
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Thank you! I appreciate the picture!
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Gary S
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Tom my May of 95 SS has the 290 in it
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KENO
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If you read the sticker on your ECM you'll know what you have for sure Here's a picture of a sticker |
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t.franscioni
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Talking to people and helping program chips these are the years/tune revisions Iv come up with. Correct me if I’m wrong.
95- 58HO tune 96- 290M tune 97-some 98- E290 tune Some 98-2002- 300M tune |
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Gary S
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I have a engine with 1998 date codes on some components - it has the 300 tune.
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DHMcFadin
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Does any know what years pcm used the e290 and 300m calibrations? I have a 99 GT40 with the original ECM.
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gun-driver
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Personally I would go roller cam, roller rockers and a nice set of AFR heads then see how it tunes, that combo should put you close to the 400 ponies mark. |
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t.franscioni
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[QUOTE=Rlbarrasjr] yes.. the MCSR1 strategy will open both calibrations, but i wouldnt use e290 at all. the 300m seems to be a more mature calibration.
Biggest thing to notice it that they drop some spark and richen up the upper rpm range. they made some adjustments to lower/smooth idle too. Very cool. Thanks for taking these next steps this will undoubtedly come in handy for people. I like your stroker plan. Make sure and do a write up of that mod. |
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Rlbarrasjr
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both! sort of. the dead ecu replacement with the chips that places are selling are taking this same family of hardware and loading a stock tune/calibration on it to get up and running. this software addition will let you manipulate/tune that stock calibration file for any performance upgrades you do. it also does datalogging. personally i plan to put a stroker rotating assembly in mine and i'll need to tune for it. |
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Rlbarrasjr
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here a google sheet to all the differences
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3fmH4CpZZruHfRYuz6SNfSReoY2ZpM-O8wOg5WmV6M/edit?usp=sharing |
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Rlbarrasjr
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yes.. the MCSR1 strategy will open both calibrations, but i wouldnt use e290 at all. the 300m seems to be a more mature calibration.
Biggest thing to notice it that they drop some spark and richen up the upper rpm range. they made some adjustments to lower/smooth idle too. |
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Did this upgrade just allow you to get a dead ECU running or are you putting more ponies to the water with the tune?
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t.franscioni
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Rusty
Using that MCSR1 strategy you can view BOTH the 300M and E290 tune? Or is this MCSR1 just for the 300M? Out of curiosity I’d sure like to compare and contrast the two tunes and see what changes PCM made. |
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Rlbarrasjr
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it all works. Get a quarterhorse package from coretuning.. http://www.coretuning.net/
Email Clint first (Clint@eecanalyzer.net) before buying to make sure he knows you need the MCSR1 definition file. remember this is all DIY tuning. If you need help with the actual tuning itself for whatever mods you made i recommend reaching out to Adam at pops racing or Mike with efidynotuning. http://www.popsracing.com/services.html http://www.efidynotuning.com/ |
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DHMcFadin
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Any updates to the GT40 Performance Upgrade?
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gt40KS
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Awesome! Let us know how things progress. Seems it's been a good year for current GT-40 owners
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JCCI
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Rlbarrasjr
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It is done!!! Core Tuning compiled a definition file for the 300m marine gt-40 using their Binary Editor Software. I was emailing Clint and Ben for months to get it ready. This can also be used on earlier e290 ecus. I just got it loaded. Going to do some test using the QuarterHorse Chip in the coming weeks. The definition is MCSR1. There are way more parameters defined than what i expected. see screen shot. It is supposed to be able to datalog too. |
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Gary S
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Yes all GT 40 heads are the same. Hard to find and usually costly due to 5.0 guys using them. Came on 5.8 Cobras,Lightening trucks, and of course GT40 boat engines. GT 40 p's came on 5.0 Explorer's and Mountaineer's are more common. Exhaust manifold fitment issues on cars but no troubles on marine. You would need brass freeze plugs installed and the head bolts drilled out to 1/2". Actually marginally out flow GT 40's and are the best stock production Ford heads.
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Are all GT40 heads the same?
Can I use a Mustang/explorer set on my 86 Martinique? |
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gun-driver
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If you can break the code and come up with a not super expensive way to add power to the GT-40 you will be a hero to a lot of people on here.
I’ll be watching this one |
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Rlbarrasjr
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I helped Thomas awhile back with testing the GT40 replacement computer options. I will be doing power adders at some point on my boat. I have done the research on the MEgaSquirt, but I'm also exchanging emails and working with the guys that support Ford EEC-IV Binary Editor and TunerPRO to get a definition file made to tune the factory PCM GT40 computer. I'll post any info I receive.
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MrMcD
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This is an old thread but it started with someone looking for more power out of a 351W GT40 engine.
I have not read anywhere on here of someone installing a set of AFR heads. There are some trick heads out there developed for the Mustang market but they out flow a GT40 by a fair amount. More flow = more HP potential. I saw a set of AFR 185 heads on Craigslist slightly used for $1,100 and I was tempted to try them but my GT 40 runs so well I am reluctant to play with it. I think they could run 40 HP stronger than the GT 40 heads. |
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Rlbarrasjr
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Lewy2001, sent you a pm... any info you have on your megasquirt setup would be appreciated. I'm considering the same conversation and maybe setting up closed loop scheme. rbarras@gmail.com
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