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    Posted: August-26-2017 at 9:14pm
Wanted to follow up on this post. During some Summer maintenance I moved my battery from the bow to under the observers seat. My battery terminal connector was split in half and think this was causing some of my electrical issues. My alternator decided to start chewing up the belt so I replaced this, too. Either way, I replaced both with new and haven't had any issues since (at least 15-20+ hours). I'm now confident again in my boat running well!



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Ken is right, out of sight out of mind, we had problem's with that fuse in the battery box almost from day one, would be good to change it over to a spade type fuse if it has not already not been changed out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KENO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-21-2017 at 7:46pm
I could be totally out to lunch here but you have a 50 amp fuse and a 12.5 amp breaker feeding power to your ECA relay. The fuse is in the battery box and it seems to me that if you have some corrosion in the holder, sometimes it may conduct just fine and other times not at all.

See this attached link about the fuse. According to the link there was a retrofit to remove it and some boats probably don't have it anymore
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Also this PN link talks about issues like yours. It covers your symptoms pretty well, crank but no start Posts 3,4 and 5 are really pertinent

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The wiring diagram in the GT 40 manual you mention does show this fuse and a 12.5 amp breaker going to the ECA relay. (Numbers 14 and 15 on page 6-8 and 6-10)

As another thought.maybe the breaker is having corrosion issues at the wiring connections that could be cleaned up too.

Maybe you've already checked this stuff and it's not the problem but I figured it was worth mentioning.

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

If your NSS isn't made up, when you turn the key you'll just hear...............nothing as far as the engine cranking if things are wired correctly.


I definitely understand that and that's why I'm a little confused. Maybe I need to take a close look at the wiring to the NSS. Here's what confuses me, while testing, when the problem was present I ohm out the NSS and my meter was showing a '1'. Wiggled the throttle, back to '0', boat started right up like nothing was wrong. Since changing it out I logged two outings and five hours with zero issues.

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:


Since you can crank it with the key it makes me think you still have an intermittent problem.


You're probably right, I posted this thread thinking I had it all worked out. Where should I look next...

Here is my starter relay.
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Good job. Keeping it simple.
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If your NSS isn't made up, when you turn the key you'll just hear...............nothing as far as the engine cranking if things are wired correctly.

The NSS prevents the starter from getting any power so the engine won't crank.

Since you can crank it with the key it makes me think you still have an intermittent problem.
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Yep, those two were the first items on my list (relays and laynard), but it ended up being the Neutral Safety Switch. I was using the GT-40 manual wiring diagram and the NSS isn't listed as a component in the circuit. Any idea on why this would cause an issue with power to the ignition wire? The motor would crank and not start, but had full power to the dash.




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Emergency cut off switch or EMS circuit connections.
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I've had this nagging power loss issue over the last two months. It finally left me stranded at the River Ruckus this year and had to limp back to the dock early. It was kind of hard to diagnose because it only happened once or twice and was infrequent. All of a sudden, I would lose power to the fuel pumps and the engine would die and not restart. Not fun when you are underway...

I was getting voltage (12.0+ at the dash), the engine would turn over, but the ignition wire going back to the computer had no power. It took me a few trips to get this figured out, but it finally happened once when I was in the driveway and I was able to troubleshoot properly. Any guesses on the solution? (I'm sure you'll get it quick.)

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