Keeping your Protec EFI with a DUI system |
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darylforman
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Thank you KENO for the pic you posted. Between that and the info from desertskier I now understand how Mikewolf made it work. I will give it a try and report back when I have some results.
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KENO
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Here's the non artist's rendition of Mikewolfs non artist's rendition that disappeared. I scribbled it down back when the thread was new, It matches desertskiers description. Any other info is in the thread. No pictures of the process or description of what components like the proTec module and associated wiring were removed. |
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desertskier
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So just connect two resistors together, a 680 and 330. The 680 open end goes to the DUI tach output. The 330 open end goes to ground. Connect a wire to the point between the two resistors and connect it to the ecu green/purple wire.
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desertskier
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I can't find the diagram but these are the statements that Mike posted: It’s the green/ purple wire on the ecu you connect to.
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desertskier
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I think I have the drawing that Mike sent me somewhere. I'll look for it. It's basically just a voltage divider between the DUI tach output and the EFI input. It reduces the new signal level down to the level of the old signal.
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darylforman
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Does anyone have the wiring diagram or pics? I have a 94 Ski Nautique with the Protec EFI. This sounds like a good option for my boat! |
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Mikewolf
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One more update. It’s been more than a year and the ignition and injection are still working well. Definitely recommend this for anyone who’s ignition is failing.
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Mikewolf
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With a throttle body injection, the timing of the fuel injectors is based on the amount of air coming in and not based on the ignition.
The Dui unit has a mechanical advance for ignition timing. So everything is good. Also as an update, I’ve put 30 hours (probably 25 of them pulling skier, boarders, and tubes) on the boat since I put in the Dui unit and it’s still working well. I appreciate the help from everyone here. |
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SNobsessed
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Glad it is working.
I am wondering if there is any shift in FI timing, using the DUI pulse as opposed to the OEM signal. If there is, apparently it doesn't affect performance. |
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KENO
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Thanks, now we have the good finish |
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desertskier
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Mikewolf
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I emailed you my wiring diagram. It’s the green/ purple wire on the ecu you connect to.
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desertskier
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Mikewolf
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I will happily send someone a picture of my wiring diagram to post, but I don’t have a computer to post it myself.
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KENO
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So will the good finish ever happen so that the next guy that wants to do this has something useful to work with? |
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KENO
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So................does this thread ever get a good finish like a writeup,of just what was done, and a diagram for somebody to follow if they're trying to do the same thing?
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fanofccfan
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The magical powers of the inter web net thingy never cease to amaze me. This thread was so far above me and my skills but sure was a great follow. Good work and happy skiing.
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2001Sunsport
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Sweet!! Big thanks to @Dreaming and @malcolm2 for providing old Pro-Tec parts for me to bench test. Really excited we were able to figure this out! |
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KENO
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Well, let's get this party started Good job |
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Mikewolf
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I just tested it out. Ran an indicated 48 mph. With the failing protec ignition I couldn’t get it above 35 mph. Thanks everyone for all the help and info posted. Need to go out for a ski now.
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8122pbrainard
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Congratulations on proving it could be done. It's sad that the "parent" company could care less about supporting their Protec system. Now if they could only figure out how to stop prop shafts from breaking!!
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desertskier
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It sounds like the tach wire has a limit as to how much current it can source (this could vary under load) and the EFI module has a minimum current requirement. Depending on what those numbers are you may not have much margin. Given what you have found out the ideal situation would be to use the tach wire to drive a circuit that connects to the EFI module (just like the Protec unit did) so they are isolated from each other and wouldn't limit current. You may have been able to use the old Protec unit to supply the signal. Just connect power/ground/tach wire and the EFI module wire. Hopefully it runs well as is. Good job to all! |
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KENO
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Before the party starts............make sure it runs under load on the water.
Then the celebration can begin |
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MechGaT
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Way to go getting it running.
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tryathlete
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I used to work for an electronics supplier and we provided total support for anything we ever made as a matter of good faith. Low volume companies like PCM should be totally responsive for their legacy product, particularly since the Pro Boss system is failing and they don’t have the means to supply out of production components.
Perhaps where there’s a will there’s a way is all we have to go on! |
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Gary S
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My experience too, but in their defense we are talking about long out of production engines. Would be nice if they and their parent company could help a little........ |
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Mikewolf
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I tried 10k and 5k and also 8.2 and 4.7 ohm
With the 10k and 5k, there was no signal getting to the ecu. With the 8.2 and 4.7 ohm, the ecu was getting signal, but the distributor was being grounded out. |
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desertskier
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What resistors were you using when it didn't run?
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2001Sunsport
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Awesome!!! Glad we could prove PCM otherwise. They were the first ones to tell me this would be impossible.
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Mikewolf
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I’m using a 680 ohm and a 330 ohm in a voltage dividing circuit. 680 between the tach and ecu and 330 between the ecu and ground.
Anyone know an easy way to post pics? Without photobucket, I don’t have a place to host them anymore. |
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