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Faceplant ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-27-2013 Location: Otter Lake , Mi Status: Offline Points: 425 |
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I have a trans that I want rebuilt . Just out of curiosity , is FFM on the good or bad list these days ? From what I gather they were at one time top notch but lately seems like they have become kind of laxidasical . Am I right with my statement ? Thought ?
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Feels like I am hanging 10 but in reality - probably hanging 6.
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I sent him a message last night hoping to figure it out soon. But if anyone has a pcm 40 1:1 case for sale or a parts trans for sale I am interested
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11196 |
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I noticed that he was logged in last night, but obviously didn't reply to this thread.
It sounds like an in person conversation is needed, then you can walk out with your parts if not satisfied. It also sounds like he was the middle man and was gonna drop it off at a machine shop to get the sleeve repair done from what you said above. It seems like you could do that |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Yes I have the manual and I’ll have to go a lot more reading to do it myself. Does anyone know of anyone else that would be able to sleeve a trans with a pretty quick turn around? Not real worried about the price I really sit want to get my botul and running. Joe at fantastic finishes has had my trans for a month and hasn’t gotten a chance to touch it or get it stopped off at the shop to get the sleeve put in and I’m getting alittle bit annoyed |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I’m about fed up with FFM they have had my trans for a month and haven’t even gotten around to doing anything with it after we quoted me a week and $70 to put a new sleeve in it. Haven’t heard from him since |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11196 |
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Do you have a PCM manual for the 40 series transmissions?
If you don't and you click on the link below, then you will ![]() Pages 6 19 and 22 might come in handy for pressures and shim info Courtesy of the good people at Ski Dim link |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Matt,
Hopefully FFM will test the trans. Eric used to chuck his up in his lathe and spin them. I feel that's the time to check the pressure of the pump and add washers for the correct pressure if needed. |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Yes I do agree this was caused from a bad alignment. the cause was the motor and trans came out of a boat with bad stringers in it, causing the motor to twist and throw it out of align. I’m hoping when he put the trans back together he will go through and check it out but I do have a question concerning the control valve assembly. Okay so I relized that how the valve has the pressure relief with the sting on it. I was reading that added washers are shins are too change the pressure. They are reccemending Atleast two washers and mine had 0. Not sure if I should put some in or what pressure the trans should exactly be having internally? Thank you for all the help |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Yeah I have called a couple times since I dropped it off going to be month this Thursday. Wouldn’t say the service has been the best. Just wanting my trans back now thinking about going to pick it up and take it to a different shop if I don’t hear from him by the end of the week. Last week when I called in to just check on what was going on and how it was going I was told to quit calling and I’ll give you a call when it is done. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11196 |
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Have you talked to them since you dropped it off?
Here's a fairly recent post from the guy running the place now talking about customer service ![]() link |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Matt,
Sorry to hear about what you found but glad you did find the problem. When you do get the engine/trans back in the boat, make sure you do a proper strut/shaft/trans alignment. It sounds like the rear output bearing spun at one time requiring the case to be sleeved. and I'd say bad alignment was the cause. I do remember Eric, a past member who did own Fantastic Finish Marine back a few years, say he would sleeve housings at times but he wasn't specific to where or what brand trans. |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I pulled the trans out and went through it and after a couple days I found the problem. When the shop rebuilt it the rear of the trans case must have had a worn spot so they machined it out and put a sleeve in right where the oil port pushes oil to the rear of the trans to push the clutches into forward so finally after it figuring out that i spun that sleeve I called the shop and that confirmed that they did put a sleeve in it. So I took it to that shop for them to put a new one in it and it’s been almost a month and I haven’t heard a work from them getting alittle impatient. Anyone heard of doing this?
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11196 |
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I'm kinda curious how this might have turned out
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Matt, Have you tried the uploading yet? |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Matt,
For posting pictures, click on ether the "post reply" or the "full reply editor" (the arrow icon above the regular reply). Then click the icon of the tree with the up arrow. A browse box will come up allowing you to select the picture off your computer. |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I have pictures still trying to figure out how to upload them here.. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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If you're looking at the front of the engine, then it's a standard LH rotation. As Gary asked, a picture of the prop would be great. And as Ken mentioned, a picture of the trans would be great too. |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Any thoughts? Yea forget the trans guy use the money and put it towards a new trans, the one that is supposed to be in it- the 1.23 to 1.
A picture of your prop would be very helpful. |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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[QUOTE=8122pbrainard] Matt,
Now that you confirmed the ratio, I'm curious as to the engine/prop rotation. [/QUOTE ] Thank you for trying to help me figure out my problem. I have a Ford 351 with the pcm 40 trans ratio 1:1. The first problem I had when I first ran the boat was the output seal was pushing out. What would cause this? Tore it apart and put a new seal in it and it did the same thing. After messing with that and running it out of the water. We decided to take it to the river just to make sure everything was working. Ran really well for about 45 minutes and then all of the sudden we were unable to shift into forward. Reverse still worked. I ended up pulling the trans Friday night and spilt it apart Saturday and didn’t find anything wrong with it at all looked to be pretty much brand new. Fantastic finishes in Ohio rebuilt it two years ago and I do not believe it had many hours since that. I am thinking that a piece of the gasket maker got somewhere in the trans and pulled it up not allowing oil to get on the other side of the clutches to put it into forward. That’s the only thing I could think of. A transmission guy is going to look through it tomorrow and double check everything. Any thoughts? Thank you |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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The motor runs clockwise rotation. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Matt,
Now that you confirmed the ratio, I'm curious as to the engine/prop rotation. |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I went through the trans today and didn’t find anything wrong. Just pretty dirty inside. I’m thinking that some dirt got in the control valve and clogged it up. Nothing else I can think of why it would be working perfectly fine and then all of the sudden not go into forward but still have oil pressure to go into reverse |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Yes the ratio is 1:1 I guess it isn’t original. And I did pull the trans today and take it all apart. Clutches and everything seem to be in really well shape. |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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FWIW you could pull out the valve spool & check the orings. Not much else you can do to fix it yourself.
You already know it doesn't work, the question is why! |
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I forgot to ask, have you been able to confirm the trans ratio? Do you know if the boat has ever been re powered?
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Matt,
I've never heard of using air but that doesn't mean the test doesn't exist. I do know that Eric the original owner of Fantastic Finish Marine used to chuck up his rebuilds in his lathe so he could check the pump to make sure it developed the proper pressure. Tell us more about the air test if you can. |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Does anyone know how to do an air test to check the clutches on the pcm 40?
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11196 |
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What's that old saying................a picture is worth a thousand words. Take a few, ![]() Engine, transmission and the HIN on the transom so you can verify the year. |
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Wenzingerm ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: May-04-2018 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I’m not sure then the trans that is in it says 1:1
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bb12 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March-24-2009 Location: Kansas, USA Status: Offline Points: 355 |
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An 89 should have a 1:23 to 1
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