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weitekampt
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Posted: October-04-2006 at 10:31pm |
does anybody else use the pink rv/boat antifreeze? I thought this stuff was designed for boats because it is safe for the environment. I sure don't mind using regular car stuff, but I hate dealing with it in the spring!
So is this pink stuff safe to use or not? thanks! |
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79Tique
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I see. Thanks for all your help jimbo. The temps end up getting down to zero once or twice a year in my area so I'll be putting in the mix, and it sounds easy so I'll fog too.
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I've also heard that it's wise to tape up the exhaust flaps so rodents don't set up shop. Down here, we just have to worry about: Click for Closeup |
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jimbo
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You wouldn't believe me if I told you! Click the Discount marine link above, then go to their site and look up fogging oil.
I've never done it but I live where it's hard to breath after walking 1/2 mile in August |
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79Tique
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Now I'm fully living up to the "Newbie" title, what is fogging the motor?
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jimbo
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I guess I should give credit where credit is due. I got the graph from this Article
Here's a couple of links on winterization: Ski boat help Discount Inboard Marine |
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The Dude
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Jimbo, that is impressive info, but then you threw in the chart! That's strong.
JIH...that is killer funny. I'm glad you brought that up Jimbo. Jim, was that beer joint on Chocolate? |
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jimbo
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79Tique--depending on where you live, that might be a good idea. You might have problems if it gets below 10 F for a couple of days. At 50/50 you're good down to -35F. If you want to go through the ha$$le of mixing a 60/40 solution, you'll be good down to -65F. That's North Pole cold
I'd just dump two gals of anti-freeze and 2 gals of water in a bucket and run it through the engine. By the way, don't forget to "fog" the engine, if you're putting it down for the winter. There are a number of post on winterization. Like I said, I don't do anything special. I seem to remember JIM in Houston posting something a couple years back about his method of winterizing. Involved hoping in the boat and cruising down to a beer joint I believe. |
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79Tique
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Wow, Thanks jimbo, so a 60/40 mix of water and ethylene glycol has a lower freezing point than just 100% ethylenr glycol. I had never heard that and am happy to know it. Thank you for the great explenation. I guess I need to drain and mix as I put in 100% antifreeze.
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79nautique
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I sucks training the newbees every year, oh wait their not new,
Good info, wish I could get by with the light bulb in the motor box, you never know up north if it's going to be -10 for a week or 0 for the month. And the northeners across the border in the sticks, I can only imagine how cold and for how long it stays around, then again their boats are winterized already I guess. |
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jimbo
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We have this same discussion every year. If you are going through the trouble to add the anti-freeze, be on the safe side and mix it 50/50 unless it's the premixed or ready to use kind. It's easy. I leave the boat in the lift year round and don't do anything other than throw a light in the engine compartment if it's going to be below freezing for a couple of days. That doesn't happen that often here.
Antifreeze alone will freeze around 10F. Water of course freezes at 32F. As you mix the two, the Freeze Point drops until you have about 60% antifreeze/40% water. That's because of "hydrogen bonding". Or as one of my chemistry professors would say, the molocules holding hands...the water holds hands with the ethylene glychol. |
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79nautique
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personally if you get the good premixed antifreeze from west marine, purple or green stuff your good to go, it's non-toxic, prevents rust, lubes and you don't have to drain it come spring just let it pump out when fogging and tuning up the motor for the season. Much easier then trying to get the mix right and I don't acgree that it won't freeze if used straight. Guess you could throw some in the freezer and try it out, if it gets slushy then it will freeze given enough temp.
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79Tique
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79Nautique said I hope you mixed with water and did not use straight antifreeze. My post above was in response to that. Is there a reason to mix the antifreeze other than saving a few cents? I also want to make sure that as long as I ran the motor long enough to open the thermostat that antifreeze is everywhere it needs to be. Any thoughtsd out there?
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eric lavine
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if your real cheap and want to save a buck or two use windshield washer fluid with a rust inhibitor...... i know guys that do eric
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boat dr
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79, that is a good question,the main component consists of Ethlene Glycol,this in itself will not freeze at any temp you guys have up there,we dont do any thing down here but drain,EVERYTHING,that has water in it,manifolds,coolers,risers etc. on the coast they fill the blocks w/anti freeze,but this is to slow down the rust monster,but he always wins.we only have fresh water this far up......... boat dr
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79Tique
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My understanding about mixing the antifreeze is that you mix it with water because the antifreeze does a poor job of exchanging heat. In the boat it just needs to prevent freezing while the boat is is parked for the winter. I will flush it out next spring before the boat goes to the lake, the lake water will do all the cooling. Also I think straight antifreeze does a great job of lubercating and preventing rust. I know it must be mixed in a car for cooling reasons but does any one know a reason that it must be mixed in the boat for winterizing?
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I usually just pour a bit of brandy in the fake-a-lake and run it for a few minutes. Then I pour a little brandy in me, then a little more in the boat. One for me, two for her.
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eric lavine
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i use to do some work for this marina in which they also stored boats in the winter and when it got real cold out early in the season the owner said he could hear the blocks snap if he was outside near the yard and he would just giggle knowing he had more work in the spring, i did a 2005 larson this year with 12 hours on it. even the manifolds were just about snapped in half. that was a 5k oops
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Tim D
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Yeah, 16 years doing it wrong and no problems. I check the freezing point of that which comes out dumba$$. Now I'm starting to sound like you.
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79nautique
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not a very accurate method and you cannot depend on the mix being evenly distributed either. Personally it's not a very good way to winterize your motor and leaves a lot of room for the block to crack because it's not done right.
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Tim D
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Plain atifreeze will mix with water already in the engine. I use very little water mixture, then check the freezing point on that which comes out, but I run it/recycle until I get hot antifreeze.
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79nautique
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I hope you didn't use straight antifreeze and it was mixed.
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79Tique
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Sept. 17th was our last day on the water for this season. I winterized the boat on the afternoon of the 18th, it was very sad it feels to early but the temps are getting cold (in the teens at night ).
Just want to make sure I did this right as this is my first Fall with the boat. I hooked water up to the pick up pump and ran the boat until it was at normal running temp. Then let it suck antifreeze until green was running out the tail pipes. I opened the block drain and made sure green was comming out of it too. Then I sucked R.V. antifreeze (pink stuff) into the bilge pump. Took the battery out and that's it. Is there any thing more I need to do? |
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La. about the same 90 in the day 70 at nite,will not winterize till dec.will pull the chute and ski till turkey day. Tim i always said and have observed 17 is the magic number,it will split a GM Vortec right at the balance shaft,manifolds are a little more forgiving.open the block drain valves,drain the ex. manifolds,dont take but a few min. and well worth the piece of mind,drop lites in the bilge,NOT IN MY BOAT,just drain the water,how hard is this.................. boat dr
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Dude: Know what ya mean....90's every day...sunny....little afternoon rain and then humid. Boy its tough here in FLA!
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The Dude
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I'm ready for some cooler weather too. Spending the day in the boat on Thursday. Out on Galveston Bay. |
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79Tique
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Yeh OR is nice this time of year. It's starting to get a little cool (snow on our mountain pa$$es forcasted for this weekend)days are still warm enought to ski with a shorty though.
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If your curious to know what is going on put acup of water inside the engine cover somewhere and see what it does .
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jimbo
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On super cold nights (in Texas, dipping into the 20s, I've stuck a monkey light under the engine cover and never had a problem.
Lately I've been wishing for it to cool off 30 degrees or so OR is a great place to visit this time of year. |
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79Tique
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OK I'm giving up the dry start. I'll make sure there is not gas building up while the boat is off, and start using a light bulb on the colder nights. I can't leave the boat in the water at the public dock and I don't live on the lake.
Thanks everyone for the advice. |
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