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GottaSki
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great to hear!
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91NaughtyQ
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Just wanted to give an update - After 3 years of absolutely no fun on the lake, a few weeks ago my old ski partner called and asked me to drive for him so of course I said yes which led to me saying well maybe I will just free ski, but stay out of the course..... which led to.... which led to...... a new RADAR Lithium Vapor with Reflex Hardshell front and RADAR hybrid rear and into 28 off yesterday with relative ease.... It doesn't get any better than an evening on the glass chasing those lil orange thingys.....
I am like a kid at Christmas every day - Oh and skiing with Wade Cox this Friday so that should be cool. G
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tryathlete
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All this scary stuff finally drove me to a Hardshell front and rtp rear for my new D3 Evo ski. I went with the HO Syndicate version. Not cheap for sure but cheaper than deductible for a mangled ankle.
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C_Heath
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I broke my right ankle and right foot on the same crash. It was an over rotation on an Air Raley. Right foot stayed in the boot. Destroyed it. No weight for 5 weeks and a cast.
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MrMcD
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Bummer, heal quickly.
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aupatking
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Paul, the MOB boot system releases laterally from the front and up from the rear, as you said. It’s the only one that does. I wrecked my ankle Sunday in a Reflex Supershell setup. The system worked and nothing is broken, as I’m almost certain it would have in anything other than Reflex or MOB. Pretty sure I wouldn’t even have the high ankle sprain I do now if I had been using the MOB, that I already own! I have been VERY hesitant to change from my Reflex. It’s been so good. The only problem I have with the MOB is that only D3 makes their skis with inserts for it. I’ve been a Radar loyal guy but I’m thinking pretty hard about a new D3 once I can walk right.
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91NaughtyQ
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Good advice for sure. We have a good sports rehab facility near by. They worked with my son (soccer and place kicker) Torn Hip Flexor, My daughter who swam for 13 years (Shoulder) and my other daughter who did competition cheer and broke her collar bone twice... (against the direction of her PT Person, she was not supposed to be tumbling, but thought she was good to go and ran a tumbling pass...... Snap broke it for the 2nd time 8 weeks after the initial break.- (That's on her- she was patient the 2nd time around). - They are very thorough and lean on the side of don't go back too soon. I will keep you guys updated. Feels like forever, but I am just one week out of surgery. I will say I am glad this happened at age 48 and not 28.... Back then I would have pushed to be back out on the water too soon for sure. Gary |
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63 Skier
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Rehab is a huge factor. Not only do you have to be diligent about doing the work, make sure you have a highly competent physical therapy person as it can make a world of difference. |
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zwoobah
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Many years ago my dad broke his ankle. He plastic-bagged the plaster cast and still went slalom skiing. He planned to ski into the beach, but it didn't quite work out and his cast got soaked.
His doctor said that if he did something that stupid again he was gonna have to figure out how to make his own replacement casts. |
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91NaughtyQ
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I appreciate it. I am definitely taking it seriously. My ortho is pretty straight forward in explaining how important full rehab of this injury is. |
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You'll be back at it! Good luck with the rehab.
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Yeah that’s about the only positive out of it. Everything was really starting to come together. Was getting deep into 32 off. Oh well. It could be worse that’s for sure
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MrMcD
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Glad it went well and only one screw. Heal Fast. At least the season is wrapping up giving you time to heal off season.
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91NaughtyQ
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Just an update for you folks. Surgery went great and no surprises so that's good. Ended up needing 1 screw to put it back together. After the fist few days very little pain to speak of except involuntary foot flexing in my sleep that sends me through the roof. Not a big fan of pain meds so I only took the "good stuff" for a day or so.
My follow up is Monday and I am pretty sure I will get a cast for 6 weeks after that. Light load for 6 more weeks and physical therapy. Realistically I am setting my goal for fully rehabbed by April 1 foot (and rest of my body). If any of you have had this injury and have some rehab tips or gotchas please share. Cheers. Gary |
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91NaughtyQ
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Thanks. The recovery on this one is lengthy post surgery, but I will be back in the spring. Also, I am good and stacked crossing the wakes, so that doesn't describe my position crossing the wakes. I should be good as far as position causing pre-release. Gary |
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8122pbrainard
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Mark, Thanks for explaining it to me. Sorry I did not catch on.. |
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MrMcD Most any half fast nitwit knows it was a joke And most anybody that's been on CCF for more than a week or two would know that Pete would respond exactly as he did. Good joke |
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MrMcD
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Pete, you have to recognize a joke when you see one.
When I was in my mid 20's we used to tube on occation and the rider always had to bet $1 that he could stay on, if he stayed on the driver paid the rider a dollar. If he fell off the rider paid the driver $1. It was fun but very dangerous. I remember riding a whip once trying to earn my dollar, the driver turned sharp and gassed it, I was whipping so fast pretty soon I was airborne still holding the handle and the tube was flying right next to me. We had a tire tube with a strap made of carpet wrapped around the front to tow with. Had a handle attached to the rope to help hold on. I knew it was going to hurt but hung on as long as possible waiting for the whip speed to drop off before I crashed. I took about 6 tumbles before stopping and had no damage at all. It could have been really bad. Yeah, I know they are very dangerous. On our favorite lake a woman driving drunk pulling a tube ran over her son and he died, I think he was 12. Terrible shame and stupid parent to blame. Tubes have been banned ever since on this lake. This being California her lawyers sued the State, it happened in a State park and WON. Drunk driving a boat, killed her child and they paid her to do it. Only in California. It is a narrow lake and I think they said tubes should have been banned for safety reasons prior to the accident. Not sure how they buried the fact that she was drunk driving. Maybe because the older drunk driving laws did not apply in a boat. Today that has changed and the law is the same, car, bicylcle or boat, drunk driving is punished the same and it is very tough as it should be. |
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For about 7 years now I have been with a Reflex front with Wiley's rear. I have been lucky so far, without ever having a pre-release. I used Andy Mapple's video on Youtube as a guide for setting it up with the appropriate tension, and check it often. That said, every fall is different and you never know what is going to happen. A friend who does not have good through the wake form (too flat and on the tail) has had pre-releases coming off the wake. If that describes your pull, you might want to avoid it.
Unlike most people, I did not have a hard time acclimating to it. I prefer the standard shell to the Super Shell because I like the buckles better. When I first began using it I left the top buckle a little loose so I had good forward flex, but now I cinch it down more. I had a harder time adjusting to the rituals of putting it on and taking it off, as opposed to the rituals of the double wraps. Friends who have had the hardest time adjusting got the new bindings while also getting a new ski. To me that's too many new variables. What I do not like are the semi-hard, lace up bindings that act like wakeboard bindings. You do not come out of them at all. My 12 year old son has a Radar Senate with a Radar lace up that I am changing. I can't get him to keep it loose because he doesn't like the feel, but it will not release. He's getting a good ole Wiley's high wrap. I hope you heal quickly. |
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8122pbrainard
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Really?? Mark, do you think it's safer? |
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Orlando76
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Yeah, but my grandma also broke her hip walking to the kitchen sink. |
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MrMcD
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I guess we better all go back to tubing for safety reasons!
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I'm surprised they haven't come up with a snow ski type binding, where the toe releases laterally and the heel upwards.
Then again all we did when the conditions required is crank them down so they would not pre-release or basically not release until just before the knee popped "hopefully" |
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I don't think there's any "safe" binding out there. This is a generally dangerous sport, flying back and forth behind a boat at speeds in excess of 50mph on a stick of carbon, compounded by water itself which adds drowning and/or infections to the mix.
I'd argue that no hardshell is safer than a rubber boot. The hardshells today are actually rollerblade boots held in place by a hoop on the front and an alpine telemark binding release on the back. Literally none of it doing what it was designed to do. It's amazing that we trust this so much. Screws, release arms, tension, and springs need to be inspected regularly and nothing scares me more than the thought of a pre-release. A rubber binding is not going to pre-release in the course but it's a few flaps of rubber screwed to a plate which is also a ridiculous design. I'll take that over pre-release I guess. A lot of folks run the HS boots directly on a plate which is attached to the ski with... Interloc velcro. Again, that's a lot of faith in some velcro but lots of serious skiers put up really big scores with these setups. Acclimation is also an issue with HS bindings. Having skied rubber bindings all this time I've found hardshell bindings to be an incredibly big change so prepare for that mentally. Probably a 20-set period to get used to it. I gave up after a few sets on the HS (season is too short) and now I'm just rocking a Wiley and a rear toe plate. Works great. |
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Orlando76
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Oh I don’t know. I have strict rule in our house, no sports on tv and no news. |
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MrMcD
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Wow, glad you survived to play again. Sounds like a very close call.
Mark |
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I had a traumatic brain injury last December working at Keystone, it was a very icy day -15 degrees with winds of 20-25 mph. Was taken to the clinic where I was diagnosed with 3 brain bleeds. Next I got a Flight for Life helicopter ride to a level one trauma center, Lakewood Hospital. Workers comp covered all expenses but the helicopter ride was $28,500. I’ve been on several helicopter rides but Ed the pilot was the best. He had over 18,000 hours and was an Army veteran. In no time we were at the hospital where I received excellent care. It really doesn’t matter what the cost is for transport when your brain is traumatized.
As part of my job for the resort I clear landing zones for Flight for Life. I have a newfound respect for all involved in air transport. Happy to be slalom skiing again this summer although I did take this year off from competing as I’ve still got a ways to go before I’m ready. Will definitely be back in CO working this winter and competing in slalom next summer. I’m only 73, move it or lose it. |
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Todd wasn't there just a big ta do down in Florida on a fly for profit company over charging or something like that.
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All those item's you listed are pretty much SOP among the industry, the LZ training medical follow ups, and all .
Our program is an IFR program (we fly in the clouds) and we own GPS approaches into most of the hospitals that we service, which most if any of the subscription companies do not as they're a fly for profit and not affiliated with a health system. If the patient needs a helicopter I hope their going to a level 1 trauma center, if not they should be in ALS or BLS ambulance saving tons of money. |
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Paul, Define bad reputation. In terms of saving $60k..... I don’t mind them dropping the stretcher 2 or 3 times. |
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