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    Posted: May-19-2020 at 10:52am
You are in Florida and that seems to be where I see the most used Flight Control Towers seem to be available. Use an extended Pylon until one turns up. Then take it too a powder coating shop to get the color you want and to freshen it up. I drove to Boston from NC to get the factory FCTII for my sport.

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Maybe I'm a purist, but towers are for wakeboard boats. Took mine off the day I got my Sport, and it was still wrapped up the day I sold it.

My WB buddies had the pole when I hauled that bunch. Unless you need a good amount of board storage, over and above what you have in the Sport already, or you need a place for the massive boom-box speakers, the pole will do what you need, not get in the way of the boom and a Bimini can easily be modified to accommodate the pole.

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Holy crap that Aerial Assault tower looks like a fricken shrimp troller. Way to busy IMO
I personally don't care for the after market towers, keep your eyes open Stock towers pop up every now and then especially in Fla. You can grab a used extended pylon to get you going.
I picked this one up off PN out of Indiana complete with a Tower Bimini
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Lots of Samson towers in my area, likely as the factory is relatively local.     They're nice from what I've seen.   they custom make each tower, so if you need them to accommodate the BF boom, i am sure they could (if it isn't made for it already)
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Back with more questions...

Anyone have experience with putting a tower on their SN? And if anyone has experience with the 1998 Sport Nautique, would love to hear from you.

We've looked at New Dimensions, Samson, and Aerial. Aerial is the cheapest as it's a universal fit, but I'm concerned that I can't really find any reviews outside of their own website. New Dimensions has the OEM look, but I'm not sure we're a huge fan of the look. The Samson is the most expensive.

One key consideration for me, aside from safety and stability (don't want to hear a ton of squeaking) is that the barefoot boom can still be used to teach our kids to barefoot. It seems the Aerial tower would make entry/exit from the boom into the boat extremely difficult due to the location of the rear tower feet.

Anyways, trying to gain some wisdom from anyone else's experience on here.

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Editing to Add links for anyone who wants to see what we're looking at.


Aerial Assault Tower

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Samson Tower Looking at the Edge model.
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Correct, apparently the masters edition was the color scheme for that particular year and model. We are very excited about the boat and he came down quite a bit in price as well so we feel really lucky and the whole family is excited. We will head down this week to pick her up. Thanks again so much everyone. I just went back and read my first post in this thread and with research and all your help and guidance, I kind of chuckle at that post now and how much more I know about this era SN now compared to then. I really feel that without all your help, we wouldn’t have found this boat. You really steered us in the right direction! Thanks again!
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I believe the Master's Edition is the gel color. The color of the boat makes it a Master's Edition.
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Congrats Matt! That looks like an excellent boat. Not having the built-in tanks is plus in my book. Less to break, lighter in the rear, and more storage when needed. Looks like that boat came with some nice upgrades, as others mentioned, when originally spec'd. Would that be what 'Masters Edition' means?

Can't wait to get a Florida trip and check it out! ;-)
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+1 on old trailer ditch idea!
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Congrats on finding a boat you like! We will pretty much have twins, though not sure what a masters edition is. That boat has some extras that you'd spend more than a few bucks on, already having an Acme 422, pop up cleats, by observers chair I assume he means the center insert seat, I paid a few hundred for mine if memory serves. Nice find.

I chuckled when you said you brought the 2001 trailer home and left the new Sport. I'd have ditched the empty trailer somewhere and brought the boat home!
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Well everyone, I think we found our next boat today. It’s the 1998 sport masters edition I linked a few posts above. It’s been excellently maintained and boy am I glad you guys pushed us toward a 1998 instead of a 1997. So much storage in that trunk!!

We actually didn’t like the look of the interior from the pictures, but we were already 4 hours south buying a trailer for our 1988 SN 2001 and we decided to drive an extra 1.5 hours just so we could at least get a feel for what a 98 felt like inside. But seeing it in person, it’s a beautiful boat and we took it out on the lake and it’s just awesome!! We already had one trailer on the truck, so couldn’t take it home today, but we put a deposit down and will head back down next week sometime to pick her up.

Once I get the pictures sorted, I’ll post some here. Thank everyone, especially @ultrarunner, for all your help and guidance!! Truly, you have all been so helpful and wonderful. We are all so excited to soon have the next new family boat.

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Ford GT-40 310 HP
Chevy Apex 320 HP
Chevy Excalibur 330 HP
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Ahhh....well, just goes to show how much I desire to be educated in the 'other product offering' ;-)
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Originally posted by ultrarunner ultrarunner wrote:

Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

GT-40 is 310 stock HP


Correct Gun....

What was the change in the Apex GT-40 that got another 10HP over stock?


I think the Ford was turned into a Chevy to become an Apex
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Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

GT-40 is 310 stock HP


Correct Gun....

What was the change in the Apex GT-40 that got another 10HP over stock?
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GT-40 is 310 stock HP
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Don’t blame ya Matt.

Yeah, I saw that Sport pop up. Looks like a nice one. BTW, it’s either 310hp or 320hp if it has the Apex GT-40. Not 330hp ;-)
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Originally posted by ultrarunner ultrarunner wrote:

Any scoop on the boat in CLE?


No. I didn't reach out. I do appreciate the lead, but after looking at it, the price they're asking, the distance from us (15 hours each way) and the look made me say I'll wait and see what else we can find first. We are headed down to look at this one on Friday.

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Kind of by definition, a used market is never "artificially" high or low. The market sets the prices, the prices are correct if people pay them.

New Nautiques and similar being 80 to 150k is the same - people are paying it, total unit sales are relatively small, that's just what the market it going to be. Over the years we've discussed here "why doesn't someone make a $50,000 direct drive ski boat, bare bones but capable?" Well the answer is pretty clear, the market research and sales results say it wouldn't make sense, better to sell more 100k boats and not dilute the market.

If absolute best value is the goal, we'd all buy 1993 NWZ for slalom. No wood, easily rebuildable drivetrain, could run forever with modest expense. But we look at what "more" we want in a used boat, whether it's size or open bow or better wake or more power or whatever, and find what we can afford and go for it. IMO there is zero comparison between car prices and boat prices.

last thing, we are talking about a family looking for a '99-'02 Sport. If I had to guess, in the entire country, are there 20 people actively looking for that boat? Or maybe 30? Can't be many. And how many are for sale, maybe 25 or 30? Talk about a thin market.
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Any scoop on the boat in CLE?
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Originally posted by ultrarunner ultrarunner wrote:

I'd agree. Having said that, I'm on my third ski boat since 2006...

American Skier - Ron Tanis version ;-), my previous '99 Sport, and now my '96 SN.

Made money on the fist one, "even" on the second (after 4 years of use) and I don't doubt I'll be even on the current one when the time comes. They do hold their value, a good thing. The first two, I purchased from the original owners. Current ride had one additional.

At the end of the day, I'd always pay a bit more for a good-history, well maintained boat, as I think I'll get most of it back. It's worked so far.

YMMV


Yeah. I think the lesson I'm learning from our experience is to get out of the boat a little sooner. Our '88 has served us well, but we held on to her too long and now have to essentially start over. From now on, I think we will look to move on to another boat every 4-6 years to stay nearer the market price of resale vs. new purchase of used SN.
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I'd agree. Having said that, I'm on my third ski boat since 2006...

American Skier - Ron Tanis version ;-), my previous '99 Sport, and now my '96 SN.

Made money on the fist one, "even" on the second (after 4 years of use) and I don't doubt I'll be even on the current one when the time comes. They do hold their value, a good thing. The first two, I purchased from the original owners. Current ride had one additional.

At the end of the day, I'd always pay a bit more for a good-history, well maintained boat, as I think I'll get most of it back. It's worked so far.

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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

It doesn’t matter what they sold for new, $40k or $4k.


I think it does, besides the housing market (in the right area) this is the only market where a 20 year old object only depreciates a couple K
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Originally posted by ultrarunner ultrarunner wrote:



But it's worth what they get for it ;-)

Yep

As Dominic pointed out in his Long Horn thread when he found the original bill of sale, they weren’t much more than that new.
     I guess we can all say that’s a good thing how Correct Craft holds their value as compared to the rest of the manufactures out there, where a 21 year old boat is selling for just a couple K less than original price. To me that’s still a hard pill to swallow knowing parts are starting to get hard to find And they are still commanding top dollar.
Guess you just have to weigh the alternative which is 90K for a new one.


This has been a hard pill for us to swallow as well. I started looking back last summer and was a little shocked at the prices. If you think that approx. 2005 era go for $25-30k, that's just crazy to me; for a boat around 15 years old. Goodness, a 20 year old vehicle used to qualify for an antique license plate.

I think the thing keeping the prices so high is the purely insane cost of new boats. When you're talking about $90k-200k for a ski/wake/surf boat, it's like the market has gone bananas. That is the price of a decent yacht. Very few people can realistically enter that marketplace, making the used market artificially high. Add to that, NADA guides don't seem to line up with the prices people are asking, i.e., NADA says $10k-12k for a boat, and the market is asking $15-20k. It's been a learning experience and somewhat difficult to navigate. It's a big reason why I'm so grateful to you all for helping me through all this.
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It doesn’t matter what they sold for new, $40k or $4k.
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But it's worth what they get for it ;-)

Yep

As Dominic pointed out in his Long Horn thread when he found the original bill of sale, they weren’t much more than that new.
     I guess we can all say that’s a good thing how Correct Craft holds their value as compared to the rest of the manufactures out there, where a 21 year old boat is selling for just a couple K less than original price. To me that’s still a hard pill to swallow knowing parts are starting to get hard to find And they are still commanding top dollar.
Guess you just have to weigh the alternative which is 90K for a new one.
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^^^^Way to much money for a ‘99 with 1300+ hrs and only a carb motor !!!!


Yeah, maybe a couple grand. But it's worth what they get for it ;-)
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^^^^Way to much money for a ‘99 with 1300+ hrs and only a carb motor !!!!
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Hey Matt, this will get you started till you get approved on the FB page:

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