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DockDoc 
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burban65
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Posted: October-02-2020 at 1:00pm |
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Looks great on the boat........agree with the others on the enjoyment it will provide.
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tryathlete
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Posted: October-02-2020 at 11:48am |
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This seemed more like a colonoscopy than a massage.
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Hollywood
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Posted: October-02-2020 at 11:33am |
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I’ve never installed a tower (don’t want to either) but I suspect they all require some massaging to get right.
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Jonny Quest
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Posted: October-02-2020 at 11:11am |
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Nice looking final product that should provide many hours of service.
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DockDoc
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Posted: October-02-2020 at 8:07am |
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Thanks and indeed I have! And I like the bimini being up high - so much nicer for us tall folks. |
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NCH20SKIER
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Posted: October-02-2020 at 8:00am |
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Sounds like a PIA - I can sympathize.
Looks good on the boat. You will come to enjoy the tower and the space it will open up for you in the boat.
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DockDoc
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Posted: October-01-2020 at 9:35pm |
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Wanted to put some closure on this...
Finally got the beast installed. Pictures below. Honestly, this was not what I expected. I successfully used ratchet straps to tighten up the front feet width about 2". Amazingly I got it just right. It required a TON of force, had to double up straps, and I was sweating bullets. I also had to squeeze the legs in lengthwise a bit while it was on the boat. Then of course the bimini was a bit wide, so bent that in too (much easier). I cut my own aluminum plates for underneath the deck in the front, because I could only get two of the bolts attached using a single plate so I wanted something thicker. For the third bolt, I cut a strip of aluminum and glassed it in (at a sharper angle because the glass is thicker in spots - hard to explain). The rear mounts - used a block of hardwood and glassed that in first to make it level underneath the gunwale, then glassed their aluminum plate on top of that. This was seriously such a pain in the ass. I expected the mounting process to be difficult, but it just felt like this tower wasn't made for my boat, and that's EXACTLY what I was trying to avoid by buying a brand new, expensive ass tower from New Dimension directly instead of a used FCT-2 tower for a 1/3 of the price. Not to mention all of the dings and gouges caused by shipping... The company is giving me some money back for the hassle, and he was very responsive in terms of helping me problem solve as I had a million questions. End of the day - tower is on, looks good, and is solid as hell. I'll likely spray paint over the scratched areas (one in particular is VERY obvious). If someone reading this post was considering this in the future, 2 bits of advice: First, consider just getting a used FCT-2 tower or even a (Gasp) universal tower for a much lower price. Or, if you're able to bring the boat to ND... I wish I would have just done that. It would have been a 2-3 day adventure, but these could have been their hassles and no shipping damage. Also... no explanation as to why this tower's measurements were wrong. Which makes me wonder whether their dimensions are wrong for other towers / boats.  |
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DockDoc
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Posted: September-11-2020 at 12:13pm |
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Thanks for saying that - that's exactly what I've been trying to figure out. But that gap between the deck surface and that reinforced bumped-down section is almost an inch, seems like too much for the kitty hair (which they did include) to fill. So I actually chopped down a piece of hardwood and used that with the kitty hair to fill the void and then put the metal plate over the whole thing to even it out. Seems like that will work ok, but if it loosens up I'll remove that and just fill the whole thing with glass. Really hard to work with the glass upside down and cramped. BTW - I did NOT realize that in that foam-filled mess under there that there's a pvc pipe carrying a half dozen wires aft... so I drilled right through them. Now I have the joy of re-doing those wires. Bigger issue for me has been the front mounts. There is basically no room to work up there and the under-deck surface is extremely uneven. It's like trying to mount a flat plate on a "W" surface and fill in all the voids while keeping everything lined up. I figured out that I just can't do it that way... so I used some thicker aluminum stock that I had saved and made a super solid plate for two out of the three through bolts. For the third (which goes through some really thick glass where the deck-eye is mounted) I'm either going to do a screw with some sealant, or maybe through bolt with a couple fender washers at a weird angle. I asked ND about it and he said that sounded fine.
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JoeinNY
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Posted: September-11-2020 at 11:11am |
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ND used to include a quart of bondo- Kitty Hair filler with the
tower. On my installation there was also
the little strip running under the gunnel that was used to screw the various
wires, cables, etc, to. The instructions
were to pile on a bunch of kitty hair, slap the aluminum plate over it and tighten
it enough to compress the kitty hair glob between the uneven deck surface and the
aluminum plate. Not the least hokey
thing out there, but that thick ol glob of cured kitty hair doesn't need to be
carefully fit to the hull to avoid stress concentrations and it is not going to
compress over time and loosen up like wood or foam products. I have had my ND tower installed that way for
10 years and it has seen 800 plus hours of pretty severe use on a big lake with
a lot of weight on it, pulling just about every thing at just about every speed…
no gel coat or deck cracks. I retightened
the tower bolts once after the kitty hair set up as I didn't want to bend the
aluminum plates the first time I compressed everything, but other than that it
has been set it and forget it. I spent
a lot of time thinking about better ways to do it and had a barn full of the fanciest
composites available but couldn't come up with anything that would have been
significantly better. |
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tryathlete
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Posted: September-11-2020 at 9:43am |
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You’re just looking to spread the load around a bit. You can buy some small pieces of composite at the local hw store and be done with it.
I’ve got to go help a friend install his tower soon so I’m kind of trying to refresh my memory of what to do (and not to do). You’ve already reminded me to look before I drill! |
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DockDoc
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 3:03pm |
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Appreciate the offer! To be honest now I’m confused about starboard vs plywood for this application. Kinda thinking 1/2” plywood glassed in might just do the job? |
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Donald80SN
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 2:52pm |
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I have some scrap star board I can give you. It is at my home here in Denver, NC. When you drill the holes in the gel coat first run the drill backwards when starting. This will help to make sure the gel coat does not crack. Also place tape on the surface before you drill. This also helps too. However, some of your previous photos showed some tape some seems like you might be ahead of my suggestion.
Let me know if you need the star board. You have my number. Donald Tilley
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2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 2:37pm |
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I just want to make sure whatever I do is stable and doesn’t cause cracking of the deck... |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 2:27pm |
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Understand Starboard is HDPE. It can be mechanically fastened but not glued in since even epoxy won't stick to it.
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 1:44pm |
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If a stack of washers works for you you’ll probably be fine. The less stuff you have under there that has any give to it the less flex and motion you’ll have in use.
I had a fairly flat surface underneath in the 96 SS hull. Your tower will be (as HW says) “solider” than mine was. |
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DockDoc
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 1:34pm |
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Did you have the same issue? Honestly not really sure how to approach this. Was thinking cut a strip of wood down, glass it in there, drill the holes through and put the plate over everything. Also just thinking that some thick washers might be enough... |
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 1:31pm |
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I’d skip wood but others have been successful with it. I used starboard. It’s somewhat compressible but I just kept tightening until it was totally compacted.
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Posted: September-10-2020 at 1:25pm |
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Happy to report that my ratchet strapping paid off. Legs are perfect now and feet fit flush. ND has also been very helpful, Wayne was apologetic for the experience and has been answering all of my questions promptly.
Next hurdle is screwing this thing down. When I removed the foam from under the gunwale I was sad to see a large structural looking fiberglass strip that makes the mounting surface anything but flat. So I think I’m going to have to build it up with some wood and fiberglass under the rear mounts so that I get a reasonably flat surface for the mounting plate. Always something. |
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Donald80SN
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 9:30pm |
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Like said above a Come Along should be easier to work with. Harbor Freight might make an inexpensive one or look to rent one.
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2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 5:19pm |
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Negative - they used to do that, but now they just use a rubber gasket. Under the deck there’s an aluminum backing plate that’s glassed in. |
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 5:17pm |
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Tyler,
Do they recommend bedding the feet to the deck? IE: use a bedding compound.
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 4:24pm |
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Definitely will not. I've followed his directions to narrow up the front legs, but if I put them on and the feet aren't flush I'm not going to go any further.
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 4:18pm |
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I feel your frustration. I definitely wouldn't proceed with the install until all the feet sit flush to the deck, exactly where they are supposed to be.
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 3:25pm |
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I don’t think it’s reasonable for you to bend that. I did that on a Nautique tower to make it fit another Nautique and it was to achieve 6” narrower (like yours). That’s way too much for helping a supplier fix a major error. I used come along not ratchet straps. It was super easy with the come along.
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 1:29pm |
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Back and forth with ND today... he attributes the gouges to forklift handling as well, said there's been more issues with that recently. Honestly really frustrating to have a brand new tower with big gouges like that. Regarding the fitment - he told me to use ratchet straps and pull the front legs of the tower in by the amount that it was out. I actually had to use 2 ratchet straps and pull it in over a foot in order to get about 2 inches of permanent bend - damn thing is SUPER springy (some hairy moments there with the ratchet straps). I haven't been able to lift it onto the boat yet but in measuring it out the dimensions look dead on now so I'm feeling confident. Realistically I'd like for them to just handle it, but not sure how that would work... Any solution that gets them involved is a huge pain in the ass for me, so if there's a reasonable fix that I can do to get the tower installed I'm all for it. Really hope this fits now.
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 11:06am |
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towers do really suck... to have shipped! I remember the installation instructions that came with my ND Tower did say to recheck a few (hand written) measurements before installing, and tweak if necessary. I had to gently tweak mine for a perfect fit. I was surprised how easily I was able to tweak it; and no damage to the fresh powder coat ( five years later still looks perfect). there was also no "preload" tension to speak of, I just returned the metal to the shape it left the jig. I too had a gouge on one of the bars ; most likely from careless forklift transport, which might have also been part of the reason it wasn't a perfect fit out of the packaging. That said if there was indeed an error made on their end, they need to make it right.
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 10:03am |
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Love that boat and tower setup! Thanks, that's further reinforcement that this thing should fit perfectly out of the box. The tower itself has the proper dimensions according to the directions they provide, so only thing I can figure is maybe the legs were bent during transport or were warped after they cooled from welding. Really don't know.
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Posted: September-09-2020 at 8:12am |
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Yeah they're actually about 4 hours away from me... may consider doing that if it's the best option. That's a lot of my time spent dealing with this though.
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