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    Posted: September-26-2021 at 9:09am
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Originally posted by rwittmer rwittmer wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Well installed the DUI and new QuickFuel Carburator and the engine just sounds fantastic. The only issue I had was that the cooling hose from the thermostat housing was too close to the new DUI distributor as the hose had swollen at the ends over time and it was also wire enforced therefore I couldn't get the proper timing. So as a solution I installed a high temp hi pressure silicon hose.

Can't believe the difference when starting and all. Thank you for all of your input which made the install easy.

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Hello Everyone,

Well installed the DUI and new QuickFuel Carburator and the engine just sounds fantastic. The only issue I had was that the cooling hose from the thermostat housing was too close to the new DUI distributor as the hose had swollen at the ends over time and it was also wire enforced therefore I couldn't get the proper timing. So as a solution I installed a high temp hi pressure silicon hose.

Can't believe the difference when starting and all. Thank you for all of your input which made the install easy.

Thanks,
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Thank you very much

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The D.U.I. and QuickFuel combination is not cheap...but the results are worth every penny!

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Received my DUI LH rotation today. Also received new sparkplugs and wire set. Thank you Karen from SKIDIM for changing.

So I now have the DUI, Fuel Line, Spark Plugs, wire set. Just waiting for the QuickFuel carburator which should arrive by early August from Summit Racing.

I will sure need some guidance on installation when doing the install.

Appreciated!
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Just to update my parts order status:

Received Fuel line
DUI from SKIDIM should arrive mid July
QuickFuel Carburator B.O. until August 4th

So waiting on parts , not anyone's fault just need to wait.

 
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Thanks for the info. I will contact SkiDim and see if we can find a solution .

Updated June 20th, Well Keno you were right. After notifying SKIDIM that I had ordered the wrong ROTATION Distributor , I pleasantly received an E-mail from them on a Saturday (when they.re officially closed) and said they will correct my order, no problem.

So very happy about this.

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Updated June 22nd. Just wanted to mention SKIDIM (Keren) are OUTSTANDING. Corrected my order and should be arriving next week. What's amazing is that when she corrected my order the LH is less expensive and mentioned it to me when she called me today. Blew my mind. There still are honest business owners out there and SKIDIM is one of them.
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I'd ask SkiDim if they have a normal rotation gear that they could put on for you and maybe you'll get pleasantly surprised.

Or, if your mechanic is comfortable with a gear swap and getting the gear placement correct for the Ford distributor you could order a 351W cast iron gear and he could install it. 

Or reuse your present gear which should be the right shaft size and material, but it'll probably need to have the hole for the pin redrilled to fit correctly at the right height.

But............if the gear is not at the right height, you could turn your camshaft and distributor gear into junk with a lot of metal shavings in the oil of your engine

The best solution is finding one with a normal rotation gear already on it, for warranty purposes if you were to have an issue with the new distributor.

And it's quite a bit cheaper to buy one with the normal rotation gear on it Wink

If you decide to go the new gear route, do plenty of research about proper installation, it's easy to screw things up.
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Can she just switch gears?
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OK, I'll confirm it...........you got the wrong one Wink

They for some strange reason only list a reverse rotation DUI distributor for a 351w on their website
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Can someone confirm if I purchased the correct DUI Distributor. . 

I purchased FORD 351 DUI Marine Distributor RH (right hand rotation)

Item # DUI-M35820-RRBK  from SKIDM , So I just checked as discussed earlier in this thread it's a LH, so my bad, ordered the wrong part. I hope I can cancel my order at SKIDM,

I really feel dumb... 









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Thanks again!
Well I decided to go for it and will order the parts needed. This will of course take some time. I will most probably need support from the nice people on this forum and I'm sure when everything is done I will be very happy with my Nautique.

Keep you posted as time moves on.
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Originally posted by rwittmer rwittmer wrote:

Thank you very much. I checked on the HOLLEY website and they have the distributor in stock.
"MSD

FORD 351C-460 READY-TO-RUN MARINE DISTRIBUTOR

Ready-to-run distributors include a built-in ignition module. No MSD Ignition control required"

I'm now wondering if this model will work?

If so I will order it today.


That could work with some additional work.

It has the wrong gear for your 351W. The 351C/460 use a bigger diameter gear.

You can't swap your present gear on to the MSD because the shaft sizes are different.

Yours now on the Pro Tec assembly is .531 inches and the MSD is .500.

You could find a gear(.500 ,cast iron, normal rotation) and a coil also to go with the distributor.

I'd probably get on the phone and call places including DUI to find out about availability, since if you look at the same distributor M35820 with different color caps, the dates all seem to be different and you might find something in stock or shipping real soon at one of these places

I think Jonny Quest and his constant, glowing recommendations for the RED cap version have created a shortage Wink

Or go with the Mallory kit from SkiDim, Nautiqueparts etc. Your mechanic friend shouldn't have any problems and if he does, you can ask here

If you haven't already red the thread in the link below, then read it.............it might scare you or it might answer lots of questions.

Erik made it through and has a running boat

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Thank you very much. I checked on the HOLLEY website and they have the distributor in stock.
"MSD

FORD 351C-460 READY-TO-RUN MARINE DISTRIBUTOR

Ready-to-run distributors include a built-in ignition module. No MSD Ignition control required"

I'm now wondering if this model will work?

If so I will order it today.

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The carburetor and distributor you mention work 

You'll need a new fuel line since the old one won't reach the new, different bowl fitting location.

Here's a quote from a recent thread

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Your M-600 should have come with a brass adapter fitting.

The threads in the body of the bowl are 9/16-24 and the fitting screws in and the other end of the adapter is 5/8-18 inverted flare female threads.

You'll also need to either space your flame arrestor up to clear the external float adjusters on the Quick Fuel carburetor or otherwise 

What that does is let you use metal 3/8 brake line that comes with 5/8-18 male threads like your present fuel line that won't fit, so you can get some brake line and double flare it yourself  or find a piece about the right length preflared with the fittings already installed and bend it to fit or you could buy a braided fuel line like in the link with the right 5/8-18 fittings on both ends and a 90 degree bend on the carburetor end.


The ends will screw right into the carburetor adapter and also the fuel pump discharge adapter.

It's USCG approved

Some people will tell you to get metal, some will say rubber like this

Some people have superhuman strength and think it's easy to double flare 3/8 steel line.

With a high dollar hydraulic double flaring tool it's easy, otherwise you'll probably screw it up enough times to easily have paid for the Sierra rubber line. Wink

You can also use USCG approved Type A1-10 or A1-15 fuel hose with hose clamped barbed fittings at the carburetor and fuel pump and meet the USCG regs for resistance to fire.

Some people get an Aeroquip type braided hose custom made that looks spiffy, but doesn't meet USCG regs for resistance to fire.

The easiest but most expensive route is the Sierra rubber hose

Just throwing some options out there so you can make a choice Wink

You'll also most likely need to either get a new flame arrestor for the carburetor or space your old one up a little or dimple the bottom to clear the external float adjusters on the QF carburetor.

As far as plug wires, most people get new ones, some use pre made and some get a kit that lets you trim to your preferred length and then crimp the ends on one end.

The distributor number you gave is from the Jeg's catalog(with the 314 in front of the DUI part number) and has a wait of 4 to 6 weeks before shipping, but so does most every other place selling one right now it seems.

You might be waiting for about half a Canadian summer for the distributor.Wink
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First and foremost,
Thank you all for your insight and knowledge. So I brought my Nautique to my dealer (has done my servicing for the last 17 years) and to be frank , the dealer is not too keen to diagnose the old 92. Basically gave me the speech, "Well you know it's an old boat and could be this, could be that ......" So I have decided to do it myself with a very good friend of mine who has a lot of knowledge who is a retired Auto Mechanic who worked on Camaro's with Holley Carbs etc.

So I want to make sure I order the right parts and if someone could just respond if what I am purchasing would work.

I would puchase the Quick Fuel M-Series 600CFM Marine Carburator -4160

I also am going to get rid of the Pro-Tec and purchase the DUI Marine Distributor Red for Ford 351 Windsor 
314-M35820RD. I picked this instead of the PROTEC RETRO FORD 351 Distributor KIT LH as there are fewer parts and looks a lot simpler to install.

Is there anything I need to puchase? Spark plug cables? etc.

Your opinion is really apprecited.

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It might have something to do with who has more parts sourced from and machined in that big country across the Pacific Wink

They may be headquartered in Kentucky, but................do all those parts come from here in the US for either outfit?
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Originally posted by Wilhelm Hertzog Wilhelm Hertzog wrote:

Why are the Quick Fuel carbs so much cheaper than the standard Holleys?

William:  Interesting question.  Here is my "take" on the situation...

QuickFuel Technologies (QFT) was started by ex-Holley engineer, Marvin Benoit, who wanted to build a better carburetor.  It is my understanding that Marvin went to Holley management about upgrading certain Holley products with the many useful upgrades now found on the QFT line.  It appears that Holley management said "NO", so Marvin left Holley in 1997 and started QFT.  The QFT designs are based on tried-and-true Holley models but with some nice improvements, enhancements and innovations.  Because QFT didn't have the same corporate structure as Holley, they were able to offer a better product at equal-to or better-than pricing.  Holley eventually realized their mistake and High Performance Industries (Holley) purchased QFT in 2012.

Now that Holley owns the QFT brand it would make for some awkward questions and answers for customers who have purchased either brand to see Holley start moving prices around.  I believe that, eventually, QFT prices will start to climb and eventually equal or exceed the Holley equivalent.  That's just my 2 cents...

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Why are the Quick Fuel carbs so much cheaper than the standard Holleys?
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Thank you. Pricing looks very good too.
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For your viewing pleasure:

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetors/marine_carburetors/parts/M-600
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Got it.

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Quick Fuel is a line of Holley carbs

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Quickfuel is a brand of carburetor that many use to replace Holly carbs. Very user friendly.
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May I ask, what is quick fuel?
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I swapped to a Quickfuel and my carburetor problems were solved. Like mentioned earlier- very easy swap.
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Yes that’s very good advice.

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