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fanofccfan
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Congrats on getting to the finish line. Looks great.
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Kristof
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Heck yeah!
Finally enjoyment of all your hard work! She looks the part!
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MrMcD
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Congratulations on the boat and the knee. FYI: my buddy Mike had his second knee replaced, so 2 knees in 2 years, he is out hitting the single ski again and having a great time doing it. Did I mention Mike turned 78 this year.
Keep up the great work.
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63 Skier
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That is awesome! Great to see you on the ski, and the boat looks fantastic in action on the water.
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andrewmarani
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Got the boat in the water 2 weeks ago and took my younger son and some of his friends skiing. Tried out my new knee on a couple of cuts and discovered I was not in as good shape as I thought, a run down the creek and back had me breathing pretty hard. Knee held up great, rest of the body was a bit stressed. Start to finish the rebuild took 1 year and 10 months, a bit longer than the year I figured but not horrible. |
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63 Skier
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Congrats on being so close!
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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andrewmarani
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Installed the gas tank and finished up the vent piping and some other odds and ends last weekend. Finished last little pieces of carpet, installed the last bit of exhaust pipe and installed the windshield over the last couple of days. Started the engine up this evening. This weekend I will wash and wax the boat, install the swim platform and the seating and BE DONE!
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andrewmarani
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Bought two 21' lengths of speedometer air tubing from SKIDIM. Turns out that 21' is just enough to run from the gauges to the brass air tubes in the back of the boat. which I didn't figure out till after I cut off a couple of feet from each one to run from the air tubes to the new pitot pickups mounted on the stern. I had to buy two more lengths of tubing to make the run from the gauges to the air tubes. Happily the tubing is pretty cheap.
So buy three lengths, two for the run in the boat and one to cut up to make the runs through the transom. And if you need an 18' or so length of tubing send me a PM and I will mail it to you for free. Otherwise they are going to sit in my shop for years.
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fanofccfan
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Nice work. They do or did make an adhesive specifically for cut carpet edges that prevents fraying. May or may not come in a squeeze bottle with a tip that helps put the glue where it needs to be.
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andrewmarani
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I should note that there were a couple of really small folds on each side right at the top of the carpet. They are completely hidden by the fiberglass turn down on the sides. You would have to be laying on your back on the floor looking up there to see them.
Middle son was home over the weekend and asked if the boat would be done in three weeks. He's got some friends coming down to stay at the shore and wondered if we could ski... Deadlines are good motivators!
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andrewmarani
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Pictures of the almost finished carpeting.
I wanted to get carpet as high up the sides as I could up under the deck. I sanded the old foam smooth and sanded a relatively smooth transition from the fiberglass hull up onto the foam as well. Pretty easy with a random orbit sander and a vacuum. Ended up running the carpet almost to the underside of the deck on each side, stopping at the hanger strap up near the bow. |
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Carpet is installed, just need to cover the removable panel and a couple of little pieces of wood in the back corners. I ordered 25’ of the 8’-6” wide Midnight Star Gray from PontoonStuff.com. Seems like good stuff, guess I will know for sure in 5 years or so. I used Henry 663 for glue and liked the half hour plus working time it gave me. A test on a scrap piece of Coosa shows a very good hold, backing tears off the carpet before the glue gives up.
Got the boat back just in time for us to take a long planned vacation, so the side carpet got held up a bit. When we got back I worked the carpet up one side and checked how it fit looking to see if developed folds. It did develop a fold but just one and just at the dash. The one on the observer’s side is hidden by the seat and I decided I could live with a small visible fold next to the driver’s seat. So I glued up the bottom/sides in one piece with no plastic corner strips. Note in the picture the thin board at the bottom to side transition. I wedged that in place to get a nice tight carpet fit in that inside corner. FYI, if you choose not to use the corner strips, I would run the glue 2” up the side when you glue the bottom, not hold it back like I did. I cut the observer seat fold out and glued it flat. I will probably run some black caulk over it to stop and unraveling down the road. This shows the fold at the drivers side. If the caulk works well on the observers cut, I will do the same here. |
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Kristof
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Never regretted installing the 'Gore-Tex' packing I got from Skidim in mine. It's been in there for about ten years now and is as stated, virtually dripless. Shaft and gland even stay nice and cool after running pyramids, barefooters and what not for two hours...
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- Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
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I decided to just stay with the old packing system though I did buy some type of graphite packing instead of the waxed cord.
Boat has been at the marine shop to have the engine installed for almost 2 weeks and it’s still sitting in their yard. I’ve dropped by and done some minor stuff while it’s sitting there but really want it back at my house so I can finish it up. Meanwhile I’ve been taking care of small items or not so small sometimes. Below is the windshield reassembled, which was a bit nerve-racking with worrying about cracking the curved main glass while fitting it into the frame, but all went well. I had pictures of everything together and labeled the and as it came apart and I labeled all the parts but it was still a bit of a jigsaw puzzle fitting everything together. End result is good, no scratches in the new powder coat, ready to screw down to the deck. |
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TRBenj
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Not hearing great things on those. Glide sounds like a safer bet for a few bucks more- and isn’t dry.
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andrewmarani
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Anyone install the Flex Gland dripless shaft seal system?
Looks simple, isn't outrageously expensive and doesn't require plumbing hookups. Thoughts? Thanks, Andrew
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GottaSki
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Outstanding
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
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Getting closer now! Terrific work and attention to detail.
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andrewmarani
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Glued the carpet down to the floor today after working into the night yesterday prepping by pouring the last of the foam, plugging holes, using faring compound to smooth the tabbing attaching the sides to the floor, faring the plugs and then sanding everything.
I used most of one gallon of glue, Henry 663 and a plastic spreader I bought at West Marine, used the side with the second to largest V notches. As you can see in the photo, I didn’t cut the carpet to size, though I had previously put it in the boat and cut all the holes needed under the bow for all those pipes and a hole for the pylon. Glueing up under the bow was the hardest part due to all the pipes. After that I just worked toward the back of the boat gluing half of one side up near the front seats and then gluing one side then the other as I worked my way back. I held the glue back 2” around all the sides so I can install the corner trim later. I had a small 6” wide hand roller used for working epoxy into fiberglass and something like that is a must for working out the inevitable carpet bumps. Pushing them down by hand would have been a nightmare, working with the roller made it a piece of cake. After I had the carpet smooth, I used the roller over everything, pushing down hard to make sure I had solid contact with the glue. I’m eager to get the engine installed so the next step is to install all the running hardware and wiring harness. Easy enough to install the side carpet with the engine in place. I plan to run everything back through bilge to roughly where it goes so the marine company that has the engine can hook stuff up for me when they drop in the engine. They agreed to do the shaft alignment with the engine install. That alignment is pretty critical so I may pull that back apart and double check with some feeler gauges. Ideally, I will drop the boat off late this week or this coming Saturday and have it back in a week. Today I also got the boat off the support system it’s been sitting on for two years and back onto the trailer. Only almost dropped it once. |
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Pouring Foam: Lessons Learned. I've made the following mistakes in multiple combinations: hull too cold, not stirring enough, liquids too cold. I'm usually pouring about a quart of mixed liquid. I mix with a wood paint mixer. I made a hot box to warm up the gallon metal containers, with a cheap digital thermometer that has the sensor on a flexible wire dangled into the box. Unfortunately, that only gets you close on temperature. You need one of those infrared temperature guns to get an instant read on the liquids AFTER you pour them into their two containers (see below on containers). If your temp is low, put the two containers in the hot box for a few minutes, if high just let them sit for a couple. The hull temperature needs to be at least 75 degrees, 80 plus is better. The liquids need to be at least 85 degrees, 90 to 92 is better. 95 is ok but I would save that for a hull that's lower than 80 degrees because they react faster and you have less time for mixing and pouring. Use three containers, one filled with part A, one filled with part B and a third to pour them into. You can reuse the first two, chuck the third after one use. Pour both parts into the third container at the same time. Mix as energetically as you can without spilling for 50 seconds. After that you have about 35 seconds to pour your mixture into the hull, unless your liquids are at 95 degrees, then you have maybe 25 seconds. Sounds short but I never had an issue getting the pour done before the reaction started. Good luck guessing how much to pour into each hole, it takes practice, and one boat's worth of practice is not enough! I used three US Composite 8 cubic foot kits. I bought four and ended up using about 4 cups from the fourth kit but that’s because of the mixing errors noted above. If you do a good mixing job at the right temps, three kits is plenty. |
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MrMcD
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Wow, bringing that boat back to life. Looking good.
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samudj01
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Looking good!
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
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andrewmarani
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After the epoxy setup I used a straight edge and a circular saw to cut right next to the secondary stringer. I plan to install a small angle to trap the carpet as it turns down the stringer and as a support for the removable center section. I noticed there was some flex in the center of the panel after I installed despite the heavy mesh on the back so I added a lighter fiberglass mesh to the top before I made the cuts. The blue dots are tape over the T-nuts to keep the epoxy out. I've also started sanding out any rough spots, prepping for carpet. Last two pieces of flooring in the back corners are installed with bricks holding them down till the epoxy sets.
And this is were I am today. All flooring installed and three quarters of it foamed with the Coosa plugs installed in the holes bedded in epoxy. If all goes as planned, I will install the carpet this coming weekend. |
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andrewmarani
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Picture shows the back floor panel with the fiberglass reinforcement on the underside, I used the heavier mesh for this. If you look close you can see the stainless T nuts installed to hold the hinges for the back seat and the engine cover.
This shows the panel being installed. |
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andrewmarani
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Ordered the Centek mufflers, should have them next week.
Spent some time researching carpet adhesive since that's coming up soon. Looks like Henry 263 is preferred but that's not available around here due to environmental regulations even through one of my carpet subcontractors. Henry 663 has good reviews as well so that's what I'm going to use. Picture below is the painted bilge. Next up install the engine frame, which will take hardly any time, then more flooring installation. |
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KENO
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The Amazon profile for Atlantic Boat Supply, the Amazon seller, says that they're located at 17 Peckham Drive, Bristol Rhode Island and Google says that's also the address for Jamestown Distributors, so I'd say you're dealing with a reputable outfit
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andrewmarani
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SKIDIM has double checked my order several times in the past and called me to fix my order mistake for my model boat or engine. Always liked them.
But I will go with Centek on amazon this time around and save the dollars. I'm good buying from Amazon as long as i'm sure I'm buying the right product. Thanks for the feedback. One more thing off that long but getting shorter list. One more coat of bilge paint tomorrow and I can bolt in the engine frame this weekend!!
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KENO
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You've had experience with Centek mufflers all these years in your boat without knowing it. That's what it came with. I'd rather buy the Centek mufflers from the outfit on Amazon, than pay the big price differential for the Ultra Marine mufflers fron SkiDim Centec has been around almost as long as you've been around. They're 62 years old If you for whatever reason don't trust Amazon, google the same Centek part number (1000216) and you'll find a variety of places and prices
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Jonny Quest
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Centek made the Inverta-Flow mufflers that were found on many of the "slant back" Nautiques. I would have no problem using a Centek product.
JQ
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andrewmarani
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I'm planning to replace the original mufflers, I repaired one years ago for a small burn through hole and I think the other has a hole now. Not a hard fix but after 38 years probably time for new mufflers. I've found two options though I expect there are more out there. Thoughts on the choices below?
Centek Verna Ski-3 in 45 Degree Inlet. Dimensions work and it has a 45 degree inlet which will make life much easier with the exhaust piping. No need to force that hard bend into the heavy rubber pipe. Anyone have any experience with Centek?
Other option is from SKIDIM, whom I trust far more than Amazon. Basically the same design but 50% more in cost. Ultra Marine. |
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