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LakeHoliday
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Posted: April-13-2007 at 9:44pm |
Well, my engine looks *very* different from TRBenj's. But I did find enough drain plugs and removed enough hoses to get all the water out. I had to replace one hose too as I found it had a hole rubbed through it from hitting the alternator belt. I wondered where that extra water came from. hehe
Okay... the prop puller... WOW! Talk about taking some effort to get that to pop. Oh, and when it pops... it REALLY pops. I hit myself in the head with the wrench! ;) I thought I'd never get the prop off. Thanks for the tip (some other post) about putting a piece of 2x4 between the prop and the hull when tightening the prop puller. That worked like a charm other than when it decided to come loose from the taper... it did so with quite a bit of energy. Anyway, the 12x13 is now on there. I won't get a chance to try it tomorrow as there is supposed to be up to 1" of SNOW accumulation! What is wrong with Indiana weather? Oh well... By the way, I fixed the hose so there is no way it can rub on the alternator belt now. I did find a few other "issues" that I'll need to post photos to ask questions about though. Thanks again to everyone for the help so far and especially Steve for letting me borrow the prop puller. More photos to follow... - Brice |
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LakeHoliday
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TRBenj, thanks for the photo. That helps.
Steve, no... I haven't had a chance to try the prop puller yet. I'll definitely give it a try this weekend but it's still too cold to get it out on the water to see how the 12x13 performs compared to the 12x12. Thanks, Brice |
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Behl
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My 302 has a drain like the one pictured above. The drains on the engine are at about the same height on the block; however, one is toward the front and the other towards the rear. I do not remember which side is which. Steve P.S. Have tried the puller? No rush |
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TRBenj
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You may not have a drain on the tranny cooler. Even if you do, pulling the lower hose off is easier anyways.
If your 302 is like my 351, there are drains on both sides of the block like '79 said. The starboard drain is in a similar location as the port side, but closer to the front of the block. If the Interceptor is the same as the PCM, the elbow in question is on the front of the motor, shown here: |
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LakeHoliday
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79nautique, thanks for the info. I can't for the life of me find the 2nd drain plug on the block. The one on the port side was easy, but on the other side, the starter is covering where I would think it would be (across from the drain on the other side). I found four on the exhaust (two in front that do nothing due to the way the engine is tilted and two near the rear that drained fine). What elbow are you referring to? I also don't see one on the tranny cooler. I'll look again tonight when I get home.
As far as the carb goes, I'll forget about the wedge then. I wish it had a 450cfm on it... but all I have is the new Holley 4160 600cfm and the original (needs rebuilt) Holley 600cfm as well (which makes me question why a 600cfm was on this engine to begin with. Anyway, I'm still working on how to get a 450cfm. |
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79nautique
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there are 6 drain plugs, two in the block, one each for the exhaust, the elbow has one and the tranny cooler has the last one.
the 600 cfm carb is too big for a 302 motor, the fact that is doesn't have a wedge plate is BS and will have no effect on how well it runs or start |
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LakeHoliday
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I want to start out by saying... I won't be able to make it to Green Lake this year. But... I'll be thinking about everyone there and *expect* to see LOTS of photos!
Speaking of photos... thanks to everyone so far who has helped by posting photos or pointing me to photos that have helped me! Okay, so I had the '67 Mustang out on the lake a couple weekends ago for two hours. We had a blast. The temps were up in the 80's and it was wonderful. However, the last couple days (and the rest of this weekend) we are under a freeze advisory and night temps dropping into the low 20's. I drained the water from all the drains I could find (two on each exhaust manifold and one on the port side of the engine block) and placed a 100-watt lightbulb (clamp lamp without the reflector as it wouldn't fit) underneath the engine clamped to one of the motor mounts to help keep temps inside the engine compartment above freezing as I'm sure I can't locate all the drains yet. I did find this excellent post here on winterizing: Link to post 5091 but for the life of me I can't find them all so I'm hoping the lightbulb idea works (seems to as the temp inside the engine compartment is up in the 40s with the outside ambiant temp in the 20s. Am I safe??? Anyone else de-winterized thier boats only to have "winter" come back a couple weeks later? Anyway, I still can't identify the engine. I was told (no reason not to believe it) that the original 289 Interceptor was swapped out with a 302 Interceptor sometime in the 70's. From the photo on Page 2 of this topic, can anyone help identify more pieces/parts? It has an Edelbrock F4B intake with a Holley 600cfm mounted on top. The exhaust manifolds say "OSCO" on the sides which I believe were aftermarket (can someone confirm this?). How do I know exactly what engine is in this boat? What can you all tell me about the 302 Interceptor and Where "should" I be able to find casting numbers on the block? Also, I think one of the problems I'm having with the engine only wanting to start when the boat is level is that there is no wedge under the new Holley 4160 600cfm 4bbl carb. This is probably causing a lot of problems I don't even know about yet as it has to be pretty tilted until I get up on plane. Right? |
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TRBenj
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62 wood
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Brice,
I dont see you signed up for Green Lake yet! You gotta make it up there! As for fuel consumption...once you get her dialed in , it shouldnt be much worse than a big outboard.....unless you keep that 4bbl open! Now lets get signed up for the reunion! |
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Gary S
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Brice- Great looking boat,I think you'll be very happy with it.I'm running a Holley 450 on mine with a 12x12 that I had repitched to 13.It runs to 5200,but my motor has low hours on it,balanced and ARP bolts on the rods and mains.Here is another picture of the back of my boat where the clearance bar mounts-
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l119/garys_01/Picture-1.jpg It's hard to measure the width of it since it's curved,but over the top it's 7/8", across the bottom it's 3/4. The flats are 2". On the picture of the rear deck of my boat the screws that are farthest apart are 24 1/4" the inner set of screws are 1 1/4" in from them. The whole bar is centered over the stern light and is made of stainless.If you need any other measurements,let me know |
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LakeHoliday
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Yes, I'd love to find some original seats or at least the frames.
I was hoping to get out on the lake and try out the 12x13 prop instead of the 12x12 that's on there now (my 12x14 has a crack in the hub so it won't be used). But... looks like a 20% chance of SNOW this weekend. Oh well... mid-80's to snow in a week. Gotta love Indiana weather! |
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8122pbrainard
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Brice, Looking great!! Glad to hear another fan of originality. It is a plus in my book!
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LakeHoliday
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I went and saw Steve Behl's 1977 Ski Tique yesterday. It's a *beautiful* boat and he did a wonderful job on the restoration. Also, Steve... thanks for letting me borrow your prop puller!
Question, his seats are on the original metal frames and look identical to what I've seen on some '67 and '68 Mustangs in the diaries section. Did the original front seats in the '67 Mustang use these same metal frames? Can anyone 100% identify (or post photos) of the original 1967 CC Mustang front seats and frames? I have yet to find a good photo that shows the frames and I need to know what is 100% original. Yes, I'm looking for a set of front seats, frames, photos, drawings, templates, diagrams, or whatever I can find. Once I figure out exactly what I need I'll post it in the correct section... but until then, I'm just trying to find out exactly what I need. Thanks, Brice |
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LakeHoliday
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Thanks Riley.
Tonight when I get home I'll get the numbers off the Holley carb so we all know exactly which one it is we're talking about. I'm also going to try to get the prop swapped out next weekend. |
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Riley
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That's a great boat. Solid color, split glass windshield, gas pedal. Looks great in the water. Good luck!
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LakeHoliday
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62 wood, this '67 Mustang's new home is in Crawfordsville, IN on Lake Holiday.
It was originally sold on December 1, 1967 and yes, it's Powder Blue (original). She has a few nicks and scrapes but being the same age (within a few months depending on the actual date of her construction)... so do I. The two of us are a good match. reidp, I'll try your suggestions on adjusting the carb and I might try the 12x14 first then just to see how it does. It's a beautiful prop and it would be a shame not to at least give it a try. Brian had this listed as 180 HP based on what others had told him, but I seriously doubt that with the 302 Interceptor, the Edelbrock F4B intake and Holley 4BBL carb on it (by the way it doesn't sound like a stock cam either)... it's putting out only 180 HP. Any guesses at to what this engine is most likely putting out (just a guess) not knowing all the internals? By the way, after the two hours I put on her yesterday (mostly running around 4,200 RPM which sucked down about $35 in gas - hehe) I didn't notice any black film on the transom from the exhaust so maybe it's not running rich afterall. Yes, I did enough idling around as well. Anyway, do all you folks have your own personal gas stations at your dock? ...and thanks to everyone on the congrats. Not bad for a "first" boat is it? I LOVE IT!!! For those of you wondering... yes, I'm going to keep her as original as possible (with the exception of the engine). At some point, I'll get the seats finished in the original dark blue. I have the original rear seat and cushions so I can match the seat colors. Thanks, Brice |
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75 Tique
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Very nice.
Looks great on the water!! |
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boat dr
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Reidp, no the large cfm will not kill him, but it may keep the secondaries from opening.Not enough venturi effect to pull them open............boat dr
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p/allen
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I have a 302 with 220 hp. I bought a new federal prop that was a 12 x 14 . It let my boat run up to 4800 rpm , somewhere reel close to 47 mph . I would recomend your 12x14.
Pat |
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reidp
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Great looking Mustang Brice! It looks like the Powder Blue color shown in one of the brochures. You asked about several issues: The prop, like Doc mentioned is a little light at 12x12. Depending on healthy the 302 is, i.e., whether it's stock internally or not, the 12x13 may be a little small pitch-wise as well. A two barrel 302 came with a 12x13 while the 200+HP 302s came with 12x14s. The correct prop in your case will typically be the one that actually lets the boat, NOT THE ENGINE, run the fastest mph-wise. Remember that increased rpm does not always correlate with increased mph when comparing props, especially when it results in the engine turning beyond it's designed power band. I agree with you or whoever noted that 4500 was a good starting target, and then test from there. Like your old bone stock 5.0 Mustang car, if you road-coursed it with 4:10 gears, it probably wouldn't perform as well/quick as it did with the stock 2.73s/3.08s or similar, unless you did engine mods and increased/raised the power band. I had several 5.0 GTs back in the day as well, and now get my performance fix from the boats and several 302s there as well.
Oh, the carb. If it's indeed running rich, you'll probably notice the transom getting a black film from the exhaust. The Holley has the two idle mix screws on either side. Here's the method I've always adhered too as opinions differ and since no one's spoken up yet: with the engine idling, screw one screw in at a time slowly until you hear the idle start to drop, then back off 3/4 turn. Then run the rpms up higher and water testing is best. If and when you pull the throttle back quickly and the engine shuts off, you may need to back the screws out slightly more. It's a fine balance, but I like having the carb to (1)where the engine won't shut off when decelerated quickly, (2)doesn't always need a pump of the throttle to start when warm, and (3)doesn't coat the transom with smut. And while a 650cfm carb (can't recall how we determined exactly what size it was) is a little large for stock, it won't kill him will it Doc, and esp if if runs good? |
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62 wood
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Brice,
Congrats on the "new" ride! ....gotta love those ol CCs!.. btw, Where do you live? ...that boat was in Rockford IL , wasnt it? |
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LakeHoliday
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Thanks boat dr. I do have a 12x13 as well. I'll give that a try. I did adjust the idle and got it down to about 600 RPM but no lower. It does run smooth but still seems like a bit too much carb.
Anyway, here is a photo of her maiden voyage here on our lake. I had a blast today. This is too much fun! |
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boat dr
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LakeHoliday,Sounds like you have too much carb on that pony.650cfm is a tad much for a stock 302.The hi idle may be covering up a over rich idle prob.
12x14 may be a bit much also,13 will be more in the ballpark.Also possible tach reading too hi. Holley makes a 450 cfm just for the 302,kinda pricey but worth the bucks.I bought one less than a year ago,bolted it on adj, idle mixture, and got a smooth 400rpm idle.Well worth the purchase price, also instant start, added bonus......boat dr |
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JoeinNY
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Congratulations!
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LakeHoliday
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Thanks for all the advice everyone. I went yesterday to look at her and I am now the proud owner of a 1967 Correct Craft Mustang! By the way, yes... this is my FIRST boat. I'm glad I did my research and found this forum and that Mustang on here.
Brian did a wonderful job in the work he did and was excellent when it came to supplying me details and photos before I made the drive up there. Thank you Brian for everything! The trailer is the original 1967 Correct Craft trailer and it did a wonderful job getting my new baby home for me (I pulled her home uncovered to be safe). I did have a bit of trouble with one tire deciding it didn't need any tread left on it (it sort of blew itself apart but it didn't hit the boat) but made it the rest of the way safely on the spare. We launched her this morning on the lake here. I have some pics of the whole family on her maiden voyage I'll have to upload later. Question... this boat revs way fast up past 5,500 RPM if I'm not careful. It has what I believe to be the original prop on it (12x12) but I do have a 12x14 that I can put on it to give it a try. Will that help keep the RPMs under 4,500 or so and what else could I expect to get from going to that pitch? I suspect when the 302 Interceptor was put in here... it wasn't a stock 302. It idles a bit high (and is running a bit rich) so I need to figure out how to adjust the 650cfm Holley 4BBL that's on there. Any tips? I love this boat. The pics you've all seen don't do her justice. I'm sure my neighbors are happy I waited until about noon before putting her in the water though. hehe '67 Correct Craft Mustang... in one word... WOW!!! - Brice 1967 Mustang |
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Behl
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Brice
The actual name of the custom boat tops,covers and upholstery shop is Smitty's Indianapolis Marine. Their phome number is 317-545-4646 and ask for Steve Smith. They do most of the custom work for the local dealers including the local CC dealer. |
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8122pbrainard
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Brice, For trailering the cover must be a very high quality and be custom fit otherwise you have problems getting it tight enough so it doesn't flap in the wind. Even with the best cover, you may get some scuffing of the boat and is the reason I do not cover my wooden boats when trailering. Some of our wood boat people go all the way and have their custom covers fleece lined! To cover the boat on the lift, a generic cover will work. They come in the basic style / shape of the boat and then the length. You may want to look into a canopy for the lift.
The rope bar is a stock stainless profile at Taco marine however I don't know if you can get it without screw holes on 6" ctrs. without special ordering it. Do the search for Taco marine and give them a call. |
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Brice
Since you work in Indy Indy Marine will make anything you want. They made all my seats and road cover. |
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LakeHoliday
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Fantastic photos! If you can, what is the diameter, length of the flat ends, and stainless or aluminum? I don't suppose anyone has one of these laying around they aren't using? Thanks again! - Brice |
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LakeHoliday
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Ahh... hadn't thought about that. Probably both. Is it going to tear it up too much if I trailer it home tomorrow without a cover? I know I'll need a cover to keep the sun off of it as the lift I'm getting isn't covered. Thanks, Brice |
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