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    Posted: February-16-2021 at 5:51am
Best prop for that boat is gonna be a 540. The 542 is lower pitched so your hole shot will be slightly faster than a 540  but your top end will be slower than a 540.  Go with the 540!
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Do you still have the review? I'm thinking of a 540 or 542 for my 1979 Ski Nautique. I just put 1988 Exhaust Risers on it out of Necessity. I have a new prop and bushing. Would still love to smooth it out and gain some power.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-03-2018 at 6:21pm
   I just ran across this old post and wanted to bring it back to the top as a warning to anyone reading it. DO NOT grease the taper at the prop!     The grease that comes in the prop puller kit is for the threaded bolt on the puller and NOT the prop taper. I also do not recommend using a block of wood between the prop and hull to prevent rotation. Yes, this sure is "weird"

Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

The TAP with the hammer is to loosen the prop after the puller is tightened. Use a TAP don't wail on it. If the tap doesn't cause the prop to pop off, retighten the puller again and tap it again.To tighten the puller put a 2X4 between the prop and the hullto keep the propshaft from turning. Heres where it gets wierd. In the prop pulling kit there is some graese.If not use the waterproof grease you have for thr trailer bearings.When installing the new prop put a thin layer of grease on the shaft before putting the prop back on. That will make it easier to remove it the next time.
   


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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Federals still suck. :/


And the '88 still only goes 37.
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Federals still suck. :/
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Is there any newer updates on props? These post are 8 years old now. Thanks
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Hey Guys, My 79 Ski Tique seems to have a smaller prop than the Nautiques I have seen. I noticed that Zigzag mentioned a concern about clearance and I am wondering about this as well. My boat has the stock prop and I think it looks pretty small. We ski most of the time and do a little wake boarding and I feel the boat could pull a skier up a little quicker. Any one know what will fit and make my Tique with a 302 and help it gain speed quicker?
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Here's some info on the Michigan Wheel 13x12. I used ~5 year old Garmin handheld GPS.

14.5 mph @ 2000 rpm
27.5 mph @ 3000 rpm
37.0 mph @ 4300 rpm

These speeds look low but I ran it several times in smooth water with just a driver (170 lb), 50 lb of gear and 1/2 tank of gas in a 1988 Ski Nautique with 960 hours, original engine/trans.
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Hey Ryno, I have a 60 Nautique, and when I put the 540 prop on we got a lot better perromance. (I also have a 318 Chrysler) I saw great improvement with the hole shot and a flatter wake.
Have you posted any pictures yet? I'd like to see your boat.
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Thanks for the information and input! My boat has a Chrysler 318 w/ 340 heads; manifold,and holley 4 bbl. It is a very clean restored 1971 Nautique that i bought recently. I have been skiing a few times and am looking to flatten the wake and reduce the prop wash which is why i was intrigued by the article about the prop upgrades. I weigh 155 and ski a 67 Connelly F1...no problem with power or weight issues just looking to get the best out of an old hull so i can keep on beating up my old body! Other than myself my wife skis and my 6 year old got up last weekend!

Thanks again for the info, i truly appreciate it.

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I have the 542 on my hull and it's a great prop. It runs 30 MPH at 3000 RPM's and 36 MPH at 3600 RPM's. All readings confirmed by two GPS's since I thought it was supposed to have 200 RPM's more at each of the referenced MPH sets, thus the double check with the GPS units.   

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I have a rebuilt 289 with slight mods to intake & heads but more compression. IMO this is still a good prop even if your engine is tired and the foam in the hull is water soaked.....or....you weight up with fat sacs and have 4 people in the boat.

My boat porpoised with the original prop and soaked foam. I still don't fully understand why but when I put this prop on the boat it stopped porpoising.
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Since we are now in the year 2006; does anyone have any recommendations for a 1971 Ski Nautique prop upgrade?

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I am stuck on a 4 blade, but have done exhaustive research on the "net" and I am told the Acme 540 is the way to go. I have an 86 Ski Nautique, with slight engine mods (for a little more horse, ignition, carb, exhaust, etc), and pull 2 heavy bare footers without a problem. Looking for more hole shot....and to keep top speed. Boat mostly used for slalom skiing and barefooting, with some wakeboarding mixed in...

Barefooters use step off ski's, cause the drag time behind the boat is very long.... Also, we pull multiple skiers often...

So in essence, top speed is fine, just need more holeshot, and want to keep top speed.... I can't get over that a 3 blade has more "pop" out of the hole than the 4 blade. I almost purchased the Acme 4 blade, 13x12.5" RH 1", but am holding out..... Might get a 3 blade ACME 540...

Looking for some more guidance....


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Update: My 540 went with my Mustang when I sold it. Even though I primarity slalom, I found a Acme 542 on eBay for a great deal and picked it up. This prop is just as amazing at the 540. Whole shot is unreal. I'm now pulling up slalom skiers at 1/4 throttle (otherwise I'm ripping the rope out of there hands). I gained 1 mph and about 250 rmp at WOT (4,800).

Couldn't be happier.

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Do not hit the puller to hard.This is to simply pop the prop free.It should then slide off the shaft.A brass punch and a nice hammer will have the same results as a puller.I do not reccomend doing it often but in a jamb it will work.

I have an OJ 4 blade and an Acme 540 (bent up the OJ and could not wait for the repair)And the Acme is a Hands down nicer all around prop for skiing.The OJ has a very large wake at about 23 to 25mph (larger than the Acme) but that is about it.
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How much to ship to America 37221?

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For sale ACME #540

Bought it brand new for my 1980 Ski Nautique, used for 2 weeks and sold my boat with the original one, I am in Canada which means that I had to pay for shipping Customs TAX, so If there any Canadian SN owners that are interested in saving some money then this is a deal for you. US customers welcome

Price $400 Canadian FIRM.

Boat replaced with 1990 NS which needs differnt prop.
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Gottaski I didn't have a propguard on my 66 trailer so I removed the prop to trailer it. I never saw an distortion of the key or keyway. By the way I also bought an 8' piece of 1/4x1/4 brass stock for 8.00 so I have a ton of extra keys just in case.
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FYI,

I have read the reviews and am about to order the 542 prop for my 86 SN 2001. I found this source that has these props for $300.

http://www.marinepropshop.com/acmeprops.html
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Hey Munday.! Just one ?

I was always hesitant to use a lube on the taper...Do you see any distortion of the keyway or key?

I was thinking I wanted the taper to take most of the torque, and the keyway was there in case some slip occured..

Let us know!
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Hi, Gottaski exzactly like that!!

Only thing I could add

   I like neversieze in final install,

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Man what a difference. Out of the hole is incredible. Less turbulence, less vibration, it holds speed a ton better and even in the turns it performs like a different boat. Of course there has got to a drawback. This thing likes gas now, alot. However, you cant have the best of both worlds. Besides Nautiques are made to pull. Wish I could compare it to a 540 and get an idea of which one would have been better for my needs. But since we wakeboard mostly, I guess the 542 is best. Final analysis, best money Ive spent on this boat yet. Bar none.   
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Don't use a block of wood to stop the prop from turning, it will mashed the puller into the prop and distorts the leading edge.

Put another crescent wrench on the puller's 'C' portion. This lets the prop float, all the torsion is within the puller. Apply moderate torque.

'Warm' the hub with propane, and then go in the house and have a beer, then you will hear a clang when the hub finally expands and releses, and retrieve the prop.

Lapping the new prop to the shaft makes removel easier next time, and eliminates odd vibrations. Deburr the keyway before lapping, else you groove the bore.
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OK. All this talk has gotten to me. Ordered an ACME 542 for my 77 Ski Nautique. Got it on the boat today. I am going to try this baby out tomorrow. I really hope I am not disappointed. Currently have a Federal 13 X 14. Check tomorrow night and I will post my feelings on this new prop. I should see a big difference in the fact that I am going from a 14 to an 11.5 pitch.    
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Barr-acuda,

Thats the word I have been looking for, TURBULENT! Yes I must agree the water IS less turbulent, great for Slalom and footing!!
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After using my ACME 612 for a couple of weeks now I can be considered a fan. My 99 SNOB is quicker out of the water and my barefootin' son says the water isn't as turbulent as it used to be at 38 to 40 mph.
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'78 Ski Tique,
I'm no prop expert but from what I understand the Acme #540 is the recommend prop for all 1:1 transmissions (which your boat does have). Even though there are differences between your engine and the PCM 302/351, the #540 would still be the recommended prop.

To be sure, you can ask Tech. Support at Discount Inboard Marine(803-345-0996)when you place your order or contact Acme direct(888-661-ACME).

Please remember to enter CCFAN in the promocode or mention it when ordering over the phone to get your 10% off discount from Discount Inboard Marine (http://www.SKIDIM.com/).
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Keith- What prop would be a good replacement for my 78 ski tique with the mercruiser 198hp 305 engine. Would your new prop fit my boat, or are there differences?
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Originally posted by Zigzag Zigzag wrote:

Keith

I have 76 Ski Tique that used a 12 X 14 when new. Around 88 switched to a 12 X 13 and had good results with acceleration/response. Wondering if this Acme prop would do even better. I have about 3/4" of clearance with the old prop when measuring straight down from the hull and 1" when measuring parallel with the blades. I read your review and your advice about clearance. I guess I was wondering if your clearance to hull was this close with your Mustang?
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Tim,
I can tell you that my clearance with the #540 (13" x 12) is about what you have with your 12" x 13. The rake of the #540 is around 12 so it fits more like a 12" than a 13".

I hope this helps.

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