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    Posted: April-30-2007 at 5:20pm
great job todicus, see guys it's not that horrifing to buy a GM or a Ford. IF you don't find something you like there atleast buy a dodge.

I hope it serves you well todicus.
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Made in the USA ( I think ), and the new body style and 320 HP with 4x4 and tow package. Needed something to tow the 95 Nautique reliably.
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I have all the respect in the world for you, what made you do it?
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Traded in our 2000 Montero Sport for a 2007 Chevy Tahoe !!

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Lets refresh this topic since the Americans can no longer can claim the largest corporation in the world...next to the government.. GM was so large at one time the government was going to step in to break them up because they were so large fearing control
and yes it is an argument worth repeating, let them build all the microwaves and power tools they can. this country was built on the automotive industry and has been fueled by it and it is stalling and i dont think anyone realizes the long term effects. this country is building great cars again and its time to re-evaluate the situation. If i can convince one person to change thier mind i would be satisfied
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nates78ski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April-13-2007 at 9:43am
Well said Randy, everyones bitching about their buying american cars, but noone really seems to say much about other things they buy, is your microwave american? how about your washer/dryer? Water Faucets in your house? Power tools?... exactly, lets it rest, the imports are competing with our big 3 and doing pretty decent to say the least, to me it kinda sounds like the same argument over & over... 5 pages & every other or 3rd post reads the same baseline.

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Agree to disagree...I can live with that...it ain't like it's a big deal, just a difference on opinions in cars and in reality, our $.02 really ain't gonna change the world.
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neck-i disagree. thats all i will say due to my graphic pov ....

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Eric to answer your question no, all fusions are not all wheel drive. I going to try to give you a call tomarrow morning around 11am.
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Originally posted by ryanandrews ryanandrews wrote:

maybe you shoulda bought a jap boat..


2 things: I'm not PC at all, and I could care less, but I think "jap" is offensive. I lived with a Japanese kid my freshman year of college and he was a pretty cool guy...just one of the things I gathered was that "jap" isn't really a good word for them anymore.

2nd: Apples to oranges with the boats to cars thing...no one's arguing that Correct Craft isn't a good boat. No one's saying that the marinized SBC and Fords in our boats aren't good enough either. Talking about cars and trucks. Apples to oranges. That having been said, I know the outboard market is pretty well contested by Japanese makers.
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I have to mention that a 1984 Toyota truck will rust away to nothing if you look at it wrong. My Tacoma on the other hand got driven through salt water (I move to the beach for 3.5 months in the summer) and not washed more often than not and I sold it with not one spot of rust. Truck was almost 10 years old at that point.

To the end of buying a $10K Ford vs a $13K Toyota, why spend $3k more all other things being equal? I might not...This fusion is a new beast, it could be comparable to a Camry...who knows. But if you're asking why I'd buy a 1996 Camry over a 1996 Taurus, I don't really think you can argue that Ford was putting out a top notch car at that point.
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Why is it that everyone is so conscientious on where their car is manufactured but no one seems to care about where anything else is manufactured? Where I live, North Canton, Ohio, home of Hoover appliances. Hoover was bought by Maytag a few years ago. most of the jobs were moved to Mexico as they ran the company into the ground producing crap. It was recently bought by a company out of Korea who announced that it will be closing the North Canton facility.
No one seems to care where their Appliances, TV's, computers, etc. are manufactured. Why not boycott the manufactures of Appliances,TV's and computers that are not American?

At least the Honda and Toyota are creating Jobs in America.
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Originally posted by 87BFN owner 87BFN owner wrote:

Parts and labor both cost more on the camry.


Same thing with this comment. I would have agreed with you ten years ago. Not anymore.
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Originally posted by 87BFN owner 87BFN owner wrote:


One thing about imports there metal quality sucks why is that. Most 10 year old cars tend to rust some. But it would seem the imports rust out faster. My have something to do with living in the rust belt? Just my opinion from day to day abservations while driving on the road.


10 years ago I would agree with this statement. Not anymore. My nine year old Tacoma which has been driven every winter in NE Ohio does not have one spot of rust. Open your eyes and look around, vehicles domestic and foreign don't rust like they used to.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

you cant generalize this stuff


Thank you, enough of the Ford (domestic, blah blah whatever) drum beating already.
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hey BFn, are all the fusions all wheel drive?
just wondering
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I too had good luck with mid nineties escorts, had three all were still running well into the mid 200000s before I drove what was left of them after the new york salt got them to the junk yard. The later 90's escorts however with the dual over head cam engines warp heads like it was thier job, you dont used replacements too easy because of that...

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Couple of quick questions,

Take a new fusion and a new camry. Now lets fast forward 5 years. Both cars have 60k on them. The fusion is for sale for 10k the camry 13k. Why would you pay 3k more for the camry? Both have 60k on the clock, both driven under similar driving conditions as far as location. 60k they both need tires, brakes, and other misc. repairs do to wear. So my questions are why by the camry over the fusion, and which one are you really getting the better deal on? Parts and labor both cost more on the camry.

I ask this question because most every one here seems to be cost aware and weighs all options carefully before buying so I am just looking for opinions?
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I guess I should ask you this then, MY latest aquirement is a 95 escort 229K on the clock. The original clutch was changed at 219k. Its an american car, no problems. Got it from my buddy and he bought it with 60k on it. Always need a work car, no one at work pays attention. So beaters to drive to work are great.

One thing about imports there metal quality sucks why is that. Most 10 year old cars tend to rust some. But it would seem the imports rust out faster. My have something to do with living in the rust belt? Just my opinion from day to day abservations while driving on the road.
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...just realized your from canada, i guess here in the good ole 'united states of america your vote doesnt count
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maybe you shoulda bought a jap boat..
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My 2000 Montana 110k miles, has had new head gasket (had to fight with GM to be covered under warranty) and a rebuilt transmission. My view is that GM, Ford etc. are good if you keep them for a couple of years, but for long term ownership (10 yrs or so) better to go Jap. That is why they have better resale value, they last longer.
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My '99 Mercury Mountaineer has 141,000K miles. Besides scheduled tune-ups and stuff, I only had to fix a ball joint, four cracked windshields and broken side view mirror from clowning around at Gillette Stadium.


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Originally posted by jbear jbear wrote:

Brian; You knew the correct year of the start of the Taurus model, BFN didn't and he is a Ford employee. Also you always have level-headed comments whenever this well-worn topic comes up.

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I'm pretty sure BFN is correct. 86 was the first year of the Taurus. Remember Jackie Stewart in those annoying commercials?

My point was that there is a lot more going on to make a car the number one "seller" than the quality or popularity of the car. BTW, in recent years, both Honda and Toyota have exercised similar tactics with the Accord and Camrys. BKH
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Wouldn't it be so much easier if we had boobs on our chest and bought cars based on cupholders and color?
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See what happens when you close your eyes for a couple of years mike,
thats why i said go to your local dealer and take one for a ride, the qaulity is back and if it breaks its under a 1000000000000000 mile warranty
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   Oh,wanted to say one more thing regarding fords.I have never been a ford fan,always grew up in Chevys.I would rather own a Dodge than a Ford(which admittedly,is very sad).
Last spring my wife went shopping for a "summer car".She came home with a brand new 06 Mustang Gt.I wanted to slap her(not really,but you know what I mean).I told her she had to park it across the street at her sisters house.I broke down and drove it one day and I was amazed.It has to be one of the nicest performance vehicles I have driven.It has all kinds of power,handles like it's on rails,has zero road noise(onheard of for a ragtop)and the fit and finish is top notch.Quite an impressive car.I still have not told her that I like it

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That is exactly how I wound up with a new truck.33k-10k rebate-n/c hemi upgrade=$21,800 including sales tax!Couldn't pass it up.Don't let em fool you though,you're really not getting a 35k truck for 25k,once you drive it off the lot it's only worth 20.At least they are taking the 10k hit and not you.
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Brian; You knew the correct year of the start of the Taurus model, BFN didn't and he is a Ford employee. Also you always have level-headed comments whenever this well-worn topic comes up.

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