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TRBenj 
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 Topic: Carpet ReplacementPosted: February-27-2024 at 10:50am |
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I wouldn’t expect any meaningful deflection of the panel in that 6” wide overhang of the exhaust pockets. The carpet trim certainly wasn’t doing anything structurally to help. Any support you add for the panel (again, unnecessary IMO) will infringe on your exhaust (especially the widest point of the mufflers), so be careful.
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andrewmarani
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Posted: February-27-2024 at 10:32am |
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My boat's a 86 Silver Nautique. Looking at a photo before I took up the floors, there was no ledge at the transition from floor panel to fixed floor on my boat, per your comment. I figured the old vinyl transition strip was doing some support work. Without it I was worried that someone could step on the outside edge of the panel and it would move or tilt since it had no support underneath, so I added a 1/2" ledge of Coosa to create a seat.
Sounds like a ledge of some kind is what's done with newer boats. Wish I had thought of the aluminum angle, could run the carpet down the stringer and trap it between the stringer and the aluminum angle. Also would be easy to set the angle to the right height.
I think I will just cut the 1/2" Coosa ledge off and use the aluminum angle idea. Probably only take a half hour to cut the ledge off and sand the area flat again. Issue solved, thanks for the discussion!  |
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TRBenj
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Posted: February-27-2024 at 9:27am |
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It would help to remind us which boat you are talking about as it’s hard to keep things straight…
Assuming this is for a 86SN, the panel is supported by the main stringers so it shouldn’t sit proud unless you wrapped the carpet 8”+ underneath. The same is not true for a BFN or any 89+ SN, where the panels sit on a ledge or angle aluminum on the secondary stringers- but even then, the amount the panel sits proud isn’t something I would worry about. |
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Posted: February-27-2024 at 9:07am |
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I was planning to wrap the floor panel and had not really thought that through. The cut out carpet won't be large enough for sure, so that's an extra four feet or so. The back panel adds another 3'. I won't have an air box, so nothing needed there.
I will also have to shim the floor that's epoxied to the stringers up a 1/8" or so to account for the additional thickness of the wrap on the removable floor panel because I can't actually wrap under the epoxied down floor panel before I install it, I can only turn the carpet down onto the edge. I could thin down the underside of the epoxied floor panel an 1/8" deep and a 1/2" back where it lands on the stringer top and then push the carpet under the panel and into that slot with a knife. This detail gets a bit complicated... |
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Posted: February-27-2024 at 6:24am |
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Your measurements leave no extra carpet for any of the panels- the most concerning is the rear removable floor panel. I would not count on the floor piece to have enough for that panel in the cut out piece between the sides. There is also the rear panel in front of the gas tank and the 2 panels enclosing the front air box area in front of the driver. I’ve always ordered about 50’ of 6’ wide carpet to account for it all.
The only thing I’d consider deviating on from the factory job is the rear removable panel trim, it’s hard to get that fitting and looking right. Wrapping the edges on both the side floor and panel is easier and leaves you with a nice finished look (this is how cc did it from the mid 90’s forward). Those that leave the floor/wall transition untrimmed always looks unfinished to me, especially up close. I would imagine there are runs to contend with as well. |
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Posted: February-26-2024 at 9:44am |
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Resurrecting an old thread on carpet. I did some searching on correctcraftfan using google and turned up this thread and some others. This seemed to have the most info on installation but leaves a couple of questions.
Measuring my boat I end up with the following largest dimensions. Carpeted floor is 16' x 5'-9" from up under the bow to the corners at the stern. Sides are 16'-4" x 18", the 18" gets me well up under the side's turn down at the highest location. Using those, a 33' x 6' piece would get the interior done. Figure I would order 35' x 6' just to be sure. Thoughts on the amount of carpet to order? I saw various discussions on handling the side to floor seam. Some use the existing trim, which I have and is in decent shape. Not real happy with how that looks in the boat. Some seem to use no trim, just cut the the sides to the floor and then cut the floor to the sides. I think this is my preferred method. Anyone that's done this, how did it turn out and hold up? The final method I saw was to run the floor and sides in one piece. Not sure how that is possible unless you split an 8'-6" piece in the middle and have a seam up front, starting at the pylon and going to the bow. Only a short section of the seam would really be exposed right there at the foot of the observers seat. You could buy an 8'-6" piece and put a seam across the boat somewhere around the front of the engine box. Another option would be to center the 8'-6" piece and run it up the sides as high as it goes, for my boat that would work out to about 16" up the sides, which I think is just enough to hide the edge under the side's turn down. Any way you install this method, getting it to neatly lay up the sides without a wrinkle seems tricky, especially at the tighter side curve as you get toward the dash area. I like this method since there's no side to floor seam to fail but I expect it's hard to do. Anyone installed floor and sides in one piece and how did you do it? My carpet came out in tiny pieces so no template to use. If I cut the sides separately, my thought is to rough out the carpet shape for the floor slightly large and glue it mostly down, trim to fit, then glue the edges. Thanks Andrew |
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Posted: March-20-2013 at 2:00am |
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I cut my carpet in the driveway and my old carpet got destroyed during removal so it was all measure and cut. I almost screwed this up a couple times... My one word of caution is be careful and pay attention. It makes perfect sense to cut the carpet a little longer than you need. However when cutting the middle, you may measure 30" across x 45" long. If you aren't paying attention you may make your cutout 32" across and 47" long because that's bigger but you'd end up with a bigger hole and now you'd have bare floor that isn't covered.
As for laying it in the boat... I actually folded mine in half, put the glue down, and carefully unfolded the carpet. I don't own a CC and used the 8.5' wide carpet which is really a bear to work with. |
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Posted: February-09-2013 at 1:11pm |
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Ryan - good photos! What is that air-powered tool you are using in those first couple of pictures? The carpet looks great. Well-done.
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TRBenj
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Posted: February-09-2013 at 11:19am |
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I wouldn't say it's "common practice" to omit the trim on the removable panel. You certainly can do so, but it can be tricky on certain boats depending on how that panel is supported. Stringer/floor/support height may need to be altered to account for the extra height of the carpet (when wrapped around he bottom of the panel). A lot of times it's easier to just reinstall the trim... And that's probably what I'd recommend in this instance.
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Posted: February-09-2013 at 2:36am |
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Thanks Kevin,
Yes that is what Ryan was saying. So we plan to extend the floor carpet over the 3/4 inch lip the panel sits in. And glue/staple it to the side. For the center panel just wrap around the edges and glue/staple on bottom??? |
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Thanks.......Tom
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Posted: February-08-2013 at 7:21pm |
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Yes and Yes Tom. Common practice is to omit the floor panel trim and wrap the carpet instead.
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Posted: February-08-2013 at 7:09pm |
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For my 1988 BFN I did not receive the black trim pieces that border the center panel behind the motor. Are they the same type of trim as the side trim pieces? If so I assume they attach to the sides of the panel and not the floor?
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Thanks.......Tom
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Posted: June-25-2009 at 2:45pm |
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Also be sure that since you are doing this in pieces, because I see this all the time..
Make sure you match the carpet "grain" or direction on both walls to the floor! |
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Posted: June-25-2009 at 2:40pm |
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We were able to get away with the 6 footer also. Folded in half at the bottom of the gunwale as shown and did wall, then the floor sides, then hit with a tucking tool in the crease and cleaned up the molding with laquer. This will give you an idea:
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Posted: June-25-2009 at 10:19am |
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Replacing it like for like must be easy!! When I did mine I replaced it as one piece (like the one I took out) so the floor and the hull sides are all one bit of carpet - now that is a challenge I can tell you! To make it just that bit more difficult for myself i chose a carpet with a ribbed weave, so I had to get that to line up fore and aft as well. I am still pleased with the result a year on every time I look at it! There's just one little crease, but that's hidden by the obs seat base anyway.
Only after completing mine did I look at the 2001 that was stored next to mine and see that the original CC carpet was separate pieces - now that would have been easier! |
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Posted: April-20-2009 at 4:25pm |
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http://www.boatcarpetbuys.com
get them to send you a sample the material is kool and i bet its so much cooler on your feet than my black carpet is |
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Posted: April-17-2009 at 4:08pm |
WOW finally some great carpet, i bought the 28OZ I've been looking for the really nice thick stuff, I really appreciate it! I bought 25x8.6 , that has to be more then enough! once again thank you! i also bought their sealant i hope it works fine, seems like it should. |
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Posted: April-17-2009 at 3:59pm |
Sorry I took so long to respond, i put this off over the winter and getting started on it again. i need to get this finished so i can get in some pulls! ANyways I'll take some pictures tom. morning and post them up for you. I'd appreciate any help. I'm totally frustrated with the wiring. once i knock that out I'll have the carpet to deal with then painting and putting it all back together again! |
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Posted: April-02-2009 at 10:52pm |
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K9 - do you have a link on the vinyl carpeting? I have never heard of it.
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Posted: April-02-2009 at 9:43pm |
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has anyone tried that new marine vynl carpeting yet? its a little bit more $$$ but they say its worth it. Just wondering how easy it is to install
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Posted: February-02-2009 at 6:27pm |
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I am in the middle of carpeting my wife's Mustang. I bought my carpet from pontoonstuff.com as I have had good luck with them before. I use a 6' x 30' piece of 20oz. and will have enough left for some dock bumpers. IIRC it was like $220, no tax, no shipping.
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Posted: September-19-2008 at 6:55pm |
As I only wanted to do the floor (sides were good) and being frugal I bought some 6 x 8 pieces of a outdoor carpet that kinda looks like corduroy. One piece from the kick panel up front to the sides by the motorbox and the second piece did the rear to the gas tank. The seams are almost invisable and the grey floor with blue sides has a nice contrast. Both pieces and 3 cans of 3M spray glue were about $60. |
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Posted: September-19-2008 at 5:24pm |
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Yea, I haven't measured it yet but it doesn't look like a single 8' piece of carpet is enough to do the floor and up the sides to the gunwale. Especially after trimming the floor out. Thanks guys.
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Posted: September-19-2008 at 2:19pm |
Like Greg said, you can get away with the 6' width. My piece was cut large (6'6") and was wide enough for my '90, which is a bit wider than the 2001. 2.5x the length of the boat will be plenty- 2x for the floor and sides, and an extra 9-10' for panels, etc. |
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Posted: September-19-2008 at 9:59am |
I bought mine 2-3 years ago and don't remember the details. I did use 8' and I seem to remember getting 2.5 times the length of the boat...but don't hold me to it! Edit-Looking back at my own pics, it looks like 6 foot. The widest part of your floor is the widest you need. |
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Posted: September-18-2008 at 8:31pm |
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Greg, (or anyone else with an 80's hull)
Did you get the 6 foot or 8 foot wide carpet. How many linear feet did you buy? Kurt |
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Posted: September-18-2008 at 3:50pm |
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Peter.
Have you been around for awhile or have you just found the site? Ether way, Welcome! Is the carpet for the Mustang? Is it carpet now? Do you have the original fiberglass floor pan? We're big on seeing pictures. Got to see some if you have some. |
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Posted: September-18-2008 at 2:57pm |
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Where did you guys buy the carpet? I'm trying to find some high quality enough that wont fall apart.
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LOL! I'm the one who used the 5200. Part of me wanted to use 4200, but the 5200 tacks up quick...that was a big help. It's a slow job anyway!
As for cleaning, I used soap and water and a small screwdriver on the original trim. There's still some paint overspray of some kind on 1 piece and another is crooked even after being out in the southern sun. It's glued down with the same carpet glue, but I also cut the edges long enough to pinch the outside edge to the side. If I ever do replace it or try to make it 'show', I'll make teak trim to go in its place. Amy wants the dash converted to teak as it is! LOL The carpet is pretty simple; indoor/outdoor from lowe's. I bought it few years ago when the interior was done to match the engine cover. It's a navy blue and very closely matches the original. The original had black fibers mixed in that this does not. I like the brighter change and it sure does feel good under foot. We're going back out after dinner...Whooo hoo! |
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Posted: July-12-2008 at 4:36pm |
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Greg,
Did you buy new transition moulding or did your old stuff clean up pretty good? If so, what did use to clean it. I read that someone used 3M 5200 sealer in their moulding to glue the carpet in but that would pretty much guarantee you could never use the moulding again. Also did you just use the carpet glue to glue down the moulding to the floor or did you use something else? That turned out nice. Is that navy blue or a lighter blue and where did you buy it? I need to do my 88. Thanks Kurt |
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