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BuffaloBFN
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Looks like you're 'gettin ready for the dance'!
The shaft log area is a common place to find a patch; I haven't seen so many with a patch around the pylon. I would explore those patches to see how well they were done. Unless they were done really well, I'd cut out as much as I could without cutting the hardware out. I used my pylon and cradle as a reference for the stringers. It gets heavy in and out of the boat, but it worked for me. When I put the boat on stands, I leveled the cradle front to back and left to right. That gave me a known place to work back to; first 1 stringer, then the next. I also had to cut out my pylon base. Again, I used the cradle to put it back where it belongs, and the pylon base was the first part to go back before I cut anything else out. If you bolt the pylon back to the cradle before you cut anything else out, it will be a good reference for stringer height and cradle position. There are probably better ways to ensure that it all goes back as it should...I think I liked seeing the real deal in place rather than wonder if I took my measurements right. |
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Big Pappa
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Ask and you shall receive!!! I feel rather blessed, after reading the trouble some have had getting their pylon out. I pulled the bottom bolt out and loosened the bolts on the cradle ind it easily slid out. |
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Big Pappa
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Well the boat is ready for the stringers to come out!!! Woo Hoo let the fun and itching begin.
Here are a pic as it sits now. Question I have is the pylon mount and where the prop shaft goes through the hull looks like it has been worked on. What do you guys think? I do not have a good picture of the back but it looks a lot like the front. What ever is down there is also chipping up in places. What do you guys think? |
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Poster112
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Kris, got your email, but I'm working in South GA this week and cannot send email for some reason.
We go through Hayden on the way to my in-law's house in Guntersville. We may be heading there this weekend. I'll let you know. I am NOT ready to order my supplies yet. I've got too much money tied up with other projects now. Sorry. I'll email you when I get back in town. Thanks. Chris |
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Big Pappa
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I live in Hayden currently but we are looking to move around the Gardendale/ Mount Olive area. I work in Vestevia and know your area pretty well. I would agree that you need to do it this winter. The gel cracks are a good indicator that the stringers ore just about gone. My floor was separated from front to back as well. I have the bracing under the boat but it is not sitting on them right now. I took the boat off the stands to get the motor out, having to air down the tires as well. I had to air them back up to pull the boat back around to it's resting place. Now I have got to get the boat leveled back out and put it on the stands. I will be making my order in the next couple of days. Will you be ready to order then? You can come and take a look at the boat if you would like. I sent you an email. Kris |
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Poster112
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Kris, wherebouts in B'ham are you? I'm on Shades Mtn. in Hoover near Bluff Park and my 85 will be going under the knife this winter. My floor is separated front to back along both sides and I have a few horizontal gel gracks on the lower exterior of both sides, which tells me it needs to be this winter, not next.
I'd love to see yours in person to see what I'm getting into and see how it's braced up underneath. Also, depending on when you order your lumber, glass, resin, and foam, we may be able to split shipping costs by ordering together. Shoot me an email if you are interested or if you'll at least let me take a gander at your nekkid boat my email is poster112@charter.net Chris |
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horkn
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QUOTE...
"The foam under the box was completely soaked. Upon further inspection the hose coming from the drain on the box was broke so any water in the bilge was able to seep under the battery box and it did." yeah, either CC glassed the drain holes closed (like on my 78 martinique) or they simply were not made right and cracked. I like other have had to do an entire floor/ stringer replacement. I think that is one reason used CC's keep their value. Meticulous owners ;) btw, I used the very short pile marine carpeting, and since the restore/ mod work I did to the interior in 02, it has held up VERY well, but I am one of those boat owners that will ot allow shoes in my boat. Only sandals that have been properly risnsed of any sand are allowed in the nautique. Floor/ stringer replacement is a right of passage as an owner of an older nautique. |
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78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior
GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
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TRBenj
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Ive still found US Composites to be the cheapest- and thats including shipping to the northeast. Theyre located in FL, so shipping to the south would be even cheaper. |
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Big Pappa
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Well it has been a while but I am still around. With work and us getting our house ready to sell I have not had time to work on the boat. I tell you, the wife has put me to work around here so we could sell and move. Not able to work on the boat and then moving closer to work and farther from the lake. Some people's Priorities!!!
Anyway Got to get out and take the rest of the floor out. Next on the list is to pull the wires cables out or out of the way. Then the engine cradle pylon. After that it is time to replace the secondaries then the primaries. Here is under the bow with the floor removed. There is a lot or room under there with all of that out!! Now I just have to pull all this out. Replace/ Clean it and put it all back in. That is it!! One other question for you guys. I am about to order my supplies. Is it cheaper to buy fiberglass supplies from US Composites and have it shipped or is there somewhere in the south (Ga, Tn, Al, Ms) that has the materials and the prices? I only ask because of the weight of 10 - 12 gallons of resin and then the foam kits as well. Seams like shipping would kill your wallet!!! |
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BuffaloBFN
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Kris, I should add that I'm hoping to use PVC for the connections and so forth. The trouble may be that they are both ID measurements. I'm going to try rounding the ends of the pvc and see if it will work.
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Big Pappa
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Awesome I will have to check into that. Thanks for the info!!! |
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BuffaloBFN
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Kris, I found some good hose at a local store. I've lived here for years and didn't know about this place. They also have wet exhaust hose but call it something different...looks the same anyway. For the air vents, I got what they call RFH (reinforced flexible hose?). It's stength/toughness is about halfway between dryer hose and the wet exhaust hose. It was a little expensive, but I'm sure I won't have to buy it again!
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Big Pappa
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Once I get the Pylon out I will snap a few pics and post them up. |
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Location ; Monterey Louisiana 71354
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Big Pappa
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Where are you located Boat Dr?
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Big Pappa
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Here is another shot of it cleaned up. I was looking at the hulls yesterday and a good coat of wax and you can see your self in the gel. I am going to give it a good wet sand and buff to smooth things out once I finish the repairs.
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Kris give me a call , I love to talk Hobies...
Shrouds and forstay are called "standing rigging" Sheets and other lines are called "running rigging" At #230 that boat is a little small, but will be a good "starter boat" I have a jib"forsail" and a lot of misc. parts...............1-318-386-2825...Billy |
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Hollywood
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If you could take some pictures of the hull socket/pylon base with the pole in and out of the boat that would help many.
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79nautique
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sounds like a road trip to the Doc is in order.
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Big Pappa
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Joe, Yea the cost new is quite hight but I figure I would get some used stuff and get it all cleaned up and get out on the water. Then if it is something that I really enjoy I will sell it and get something newer. It is an 83 model and from what I can tell (remember I am very green) I have most all of the cables, cleats, pullys etc. It even has 3 trapeze wires with it, granted one of the handles are broken. The tramp is a little old but still holds me standing (230#) without any problems.
Boat Dr. I am in Birmingham, Al. Here is a link to more pictures. I have not loaded any since I cleaned it up though. It is in rough shape but it still floats. Click Here for Pictures |
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Kris, yes there are a couple that do the BLOW BOATS.
We have our first regatta on the Gulf coast April 19.......H-18M I have several; 2] Hobie 18 1] Hobie 17 1] Hobie 16 1] Hobie 14 Turbo 1] Wharram 26 Pahi And enough parts to build several more,too many boats and not enough time to sail. Kris where are you located ? |
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JoeinNY
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[QUOTE=Big Pappa] It is a bargain when it is free.
QUOTE] Not always true, sail boat parts add up to much more than the price of the whole. Retail on a new mast 1395, retail new jib white 260, color a hundred more. Single pulleys and cleats can be hundreds of dollars. I routinely see good complete H16's for sale at 1200 dollars, occasionally 800 although most of those boats are neglected. Don't want to naysay because you may find a deal on some used parts learn a little as you rebuild and get a lot of fun out of that Hobie just know what your getting into. I have a nacra boat dr has a fleet of hobies I am sure there are a couple other closet sailers around. |
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Big Pappa
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I also picked up another project to work on after I finish with the Nautique. It is a Hobie Cat 16 that was given to me. The hulls need a little work and it is missing the mast and Jib but other than that it is all there. It is a bargain when it is free.
This is my first sail boat, Anybody else sail on here? Anyway here it is. |
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79nautique
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Kris I think the issue around the pylon is caused by the hole not being sealed with CPES, resin/glass, or anything other than carpet. So if you where to use wodd and maybe made the clearance hole a little oversized so that you could come back with some resin and glass and completely seal that area, then it would be good to go. Maybe a little over kill but in the area instead of using ply/resin layup to span the stringers use a small section of starboard glassed over then it cann't rot, wick or deteriorate. Just some food for thought.
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Big Pappa
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I am going to be using epoxy resin and glass coated Douglas Fir. I am going to be very meticulous on waterproofing the wood because I do not want to do this again.
I am thinking of laying up some glass to use in front of the pylon so I am not putting wood back there. If you notice in my pictures this is where the rot in my boat was the worst and probably where it started. I have not made the decision on the air tubing yet. I know I am going to be using something more rigid than what was there from the factory. I am also thinking of re routing them so I have more storage area under the bow of the boat for storage. I have not had any updates here recently because we are about to put our house up for sale so I have been working on all the honey dos that come with that. I hope to get back to work on in in the next week or two. It is starting to warm up here as well so the fever is coming on so I have got to get back at it so I can get to the lake. :-) |
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8122pbrainard
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Greg answered your questions the way I would have but missed the reason for the epoxy. Strenght but primarilly because it isn't hygroscopic like polyester is. As far as the 1" gap, you'll need to ask Billy Bob out in the carpenter shop at the CC factory! Really, I can't see the gaps you are reffering too. Probably no structural reason to be any closer. Keep going and keep us informed. |
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BuffaloBFN
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Joe, Kris...what are you using for the air vent hose under the floor?
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BuffaloBFN
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LOL It's a rite of passage! Be careful with so many tools in the boat...I have 2 left feet and would look like a 3 stooges episode?!!?
Have you had a chance to scroll through the pumpkin patch thread? Tons of good info! 1. Douglas Fir, and I used fir ply as well instead of marine grade(much cheaper). I'll give it a CPES bath before installation. 2. epoxy |
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lancef
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As i posted in another topic, I am doing the same thing as you guys. I got to here tonight. What a blast this has been getting to here (:
A couple of questions... 1. What kind of wood are you going to use for stringers? 2. I know, I know, I have read all the old posts, but epoxy or poly resin? 3. Marine plywood glassed/resined on both sides for the floor? 4. Also do you know if there was a reason the outer little stringers have that 1" gap in them? (where its filled with foam) |
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JoeinNY
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I am modeling in Solidworks for the most part, although I have ProE at the shop and I like ProE better but I don't use it enough to justify the maintanence fees so its getting to be a pretty old version. This measuring is far from hitech and is probably overkill but I can't ever remember being pissed off that I took too many measurements before I pulled it apart. The digital caliper does save my back a little as I dont have to get down to eye level with the stringers as much. I did notice last night that although the boat was leveled to the floor it is not level to the stringers in the front, so I am going to have to adjust again.
My boat had both a cooler and a battery box, these were critical weak spots in two ways, one is the drains which both were in blocks of frozen soaked foam, the other and more critical in my situation is the joint between the boxes and the floor. First the gelcoated boxes were put in place, then the floor was put over the top, but getting fiberglass to stick onto of the gelcoat in a spot where the box cover is going to transfer your wieght to every time get in and out of the driver seat is just a bad idea. Thats where mine delaminated from the box and allowed water into the floorboards and rotted the front of the stringers from the top, the dozens of staples holding the floorboards into the stringers didnt help slow the rot any. My better system for the drain is to not put any foam back under there. |
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