Disaster Strikes

azeus17 wrote: The 470 is 12.5x15 w/ .105 cup and the 1442 is 13.25x15 w/.90 cup. Are these two compairable because of the different cup, even with the diameter difference?

Adam, the 1442 will turn a little less RPM due to the greater diameter. Both props are great, but Id give the nod to the 470 on a stock 240hp engine, as the increased revs help performance a bit. I was able to turn a 470 ~4600RPM with my stock engine. I expect you'd see something similar once youre all tuned up.

How hard is it to replace or add to the trailer guides? boat dr, do i just rip the carpet off and srcrew a 1/4 down to the existing and recarpet?

Thanks Shawn

My dad recommended a plasma torch!!

I agree Eric. That is one thing that I took away from our conversation the other night. As soon as this is repaired, I will be shopping for a better insurance company. Progressive has not given me a hard time about collecting money, more just not wanting to do the job correctly, like you said.

shawnmc wrote: How hard is it to replace or add to the trailer guides? boat dr, do i just rip the carpet off and srcrew a 1/4 down to the existing and recarpet? Thanks Shawn My dad recommended a plasma torch!!

Shawn, I would pull the old bunks and start over. A new 2x4 and 1x4 sandwich covered with new carpet. Treated wood and S/S bolts will finish that little project.......Boat dr

Pete-
You were right about the lifting. I got the boat back from the other marina and started cleaning it up. I was looking at the front lifting ring and noticed that one of the screw heads was broken off. The lifting ring was kind of rotating around the other screw.

What is under that ring? What secures it to the bow? With the open bow, it is extremely hard to get to, so I can not see under there.

No they did not do any work. I am taking it to SECC on the 28th. It will still be fixed in the same amount of time anyway. So over to SECC it will go. I will make sure to point that out to the guys down there and let them mess with the ring.

The shop did leave the coupling apart between the trans and drive shaft. I would say that they are off by about 1".

They never did admit that they could not handle it. I was talking with the adjuster and she was saying how they were waiting on prices for parts from SECC and that if the trans needed to be inspected they would have to send it somewhere and it was going to take a month to get all the parts and get it fixed...

I just told her to forget it and I would take it directly to the source at SECC. She said OK. She even told me that I should tell Woody that I am still going to need the parts, just now SECC would do the repair not them.

It is just too bad that I had to hit a pile of rocks during the busiest time for SECC and I have to go boatless for a month.

Absolutly!

Thanks for the thought on the "fix".

Someday, I am sure I will take you up on it.

Just read this whole thread. Glad to hear the mishap is getting repaired properly. I have beached a SN twice! It is scary. Both times on sand, so the damage was minimal. Our lake is 9ft down and this thread has reinforced my desire to stay out of the ski coves and live in the middle with the tubers for the summer.
When I had to get my boat off of the sand, we tied a line to the ski pole and to another SN. Several people got on the other side of the boat and rolled it up on the side to get the skegs and prop out of the mud and drug it sideways to deep water.
I was lucky, I had my family in the boat, 8 YO on the slalom going about 25mph. My 3yo was in the back seat, thank the Lord she was behind the motor and was thrown into the cover. My wife went all the way into the drivers seat. I was on the side and ate the windshield. My son was laying in the bow, and stayed in the boat. My parents (70yo)were in the observer seat, and did fine. Boats can be replaced. Funny thing, my daughter who was skiing was yelling "why are we stopping, I'm not tired". While we were waiting the kids were having a great time pretending they were walking on water...it was ankle deep in the middle of the lake (unmarked!) and still unmarked.

Pete/Tim-
I really value your advice on the props. When I dropped off the boat, I explained that I wanted to get a different prop for it and mentioned the Acme 470. When I spoke to Woody, he said he was not sold on the Acme props yet and recomended the 4 blade OJ. He said that would give me a better hole shot and a smoother ride and said the RPM's should come up with the tune up to give a higher top speed.

I don't know which way to go! Like I said, I value your advice and experiance as well as Woody's.

I have no experiance with any of these props so I need to lean on you guys a bit. I do mostly skiing, a lot of cruising, and a little boarding. I just want a prop to give me the best all around performance. Also, keep in mind that I am doing a complete tune up as well ( hopefully bring the RPMs back to at least 4400).

What are the pros/cons of the 3 blade and 4 blade.

Thanks,
Adam

TRBenj wrote: Adam, I liked the OJ 4-blade, but I think it will be too much prop for you. The 3-blade Acme's offer less pitch and will outperform the OJ all around on your boat. Generally speaking, 3-blades are faster on the top end, and 4-blades are faster out of the hole. With the large blade surface area of the Acme 3-blades, the difference out of the hole is negligible compared to the 4, but they still have a top speed advantage.

but why did you loose to the OJ proped boat's at GL?

boat dr wrote: Woody has been around these boats for longer than most on this site has breathed. His knowledge is beyond reproach

Doc, Ive used both props in question and disagree with Woody on this one. The Acme 3's just outperform the OJ for this application, at least in regards to holeshot and top speed. Eric told me that the OJ's were tuned for the skiing wake, which I havent verified. It makes sense that the wake would be softer, as the OJ dialed back the RPM's by quite a bit- but straight line performance suffered. That being said, Id still like to try an OJ that gave me a little more RPM- I was supposed to be getting one, and I should follow up again.

Chris, if I had put on either of the OJ's I have tried on my boat at GL, I would have lost by more! My boat just isnt that fast.

I would worry about spinning the engine 4600- I spin it over 5200 on the same bottom end. Part of the increase in performance you'll see from the 470 is due to the decrease in pitch (which equals more RPM for any given speed).

That being said, the 1442 is also a great prop and youre correct that it will turn slightly less RPM than the 470. It should still outperform the OJ on your boat, as that is simply a steeper prop.

Well, I finally picked the boat up from SECC. I have to say, I am kind of disappointed. First off, let me say that all the mechanical work they did seems great so far. I was only able to get a quick spin around Conway because it was pouring rain yesterday in Orlando, but I wanted to test it out and it seems good.

I am disappointed for a few reasons.
1. I went ahead and asked them to do a wet sand, buff and shine while it was there. Brian quoted me $300 on the phone when i was scheduling to take the boat in. I figure that is a pretty good deal and it would free up a few weekends for me. Then Woody called me on Friday and said they were not able to completly get the shadows out and his opinion was that they would not come out with any amount of work. The boat needed to be re-gelled. So I told him to go ahead and put the new decals on as close as possible to the shadows. When I got there yesterday, I did not look like they wet sanded at all. There were several small scratches before that were still there and the fading was no better at all. I would have expected some difference. When I paid, they had the price for that at $500. Jim did change that back to $300, but even then, I feel like I paid them $300 to apply new decals and they did not even have to remove the old ones! I had already done that!

2. After I took the boat in, Brian sent me a estimate for the complete repair. All was good. Then when I went to pick up the boat, Brian was not there and Jim was taking care of me. They were unable to find the estimate that Brian had done before he went on vacation and they had to make another one to use as my bill. It turned out that the new one was over $1,000 more than the first one that Brian had made. This leaves me in a tight spot. Now I either have to pick up that difference or go back to my ins. co. again and ask them for more money. I know they are going to fight me on this because they are getting close to their total loss ratio already and this will definitely put them over. If they pick this up, they will have $6,500 into the salvage and repair and the boat was only insured for $7,000. The reason for the extra money is that Brian did not put a new rudder on the estimate. I know it needed it and that it should be paid for, but it would have been nice to know before I got there to pick it up. A phone call saying that we can not find Brian's estimate and we have to make a new one and here is the new price would have been nice. I also think SECC could help me out a bit. This was a $5,000 job for them and I know they make a good amount off of that.

Brian is on vacation until after the 4th and I am going to call him then.

Does anyone think I am wrong to not expect to pay an extra $1,000 over the estimate?

rebuild the carb and get new diaphrams for the secondaries and don't confuse estimate with actual cost or time required.