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skinaut wrote: Buff Your stick is too big, from now on you will only be allowed a twig......

Because I need a hanicap or because yall are sick of my opinion?

Greg - I will hand your stick back to you. You are straight forward and to the point. just as Alan is.

Alan - I do not agree with your opinion, but I appreciate your straightforwardness too.

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Lee is missing a very big point, yes you can kill someone with an automobile or boat or even a pair of scissors but none of those items were designed with that purpose in mind. All guns were designed with the sole intention of stopping a life be it animal or human. Second, So far no one is going to prison for that childs life because no law has been broken. That sounds fair to you?

I agree guns were originally intended to kill. To put food on the table, and protection from the unlawful acts of others, up to and including resisting a tyrannical government. Of course it made war a lot more efficient too.
The death of an innocent child is just heart wrenching and it is hard to debate gun control over this tragedy. Endangering a child IS against the law, this person showed a lack of judgment that cost the life of a child. I am sure he no longer has an FFL and if they wanted to prosecute the adult they could. They have probably considered the fact this man will have to live with it the rest of his life.

Good or bad, guns are here to stay. The basic choice of gun control is do you want to be totally defenseless against outlaws and repressive governments, or at least stand a chance to protect yourself and family.

skinaut, if I were a senator that 'twig' would mend itself?!!?   

Riley wrote: The gun that the 8 year old shot himself with was a fully automatic machine gun. They are illegal to own except for some government agencies or very few people who can get a license to own one. They couldn't be any more restricted than they already are.

Converting the semi-auto versions of sub machine guns like this and the Ingram MAC 10 as well as assult rifles like the AR15, AK-47, etc. to full auto is relatively easy. So, the unregulated versions can be turned into regulated versions with little effort. Just throwing that out there.

Riley wrote: What I don't understand is why people don't care or even want to ask about Obamas ties to Bill Ayers, his admitted drug use, his going to a church for years led by a racist radical or past statements about retributions. When has a main stream candidate ever had any similar associations or background like that? His supporters want him to be The One so bad they willing to look the other way on everything that's negative about the guy. And the press and media are so in the tank for him it's a disgrace.

I think most people are tired of talking about the past and want to hear what they are going to do now. One of the problems w/McCain's campaign is that he keeps trying to target Obama's character, while Obama takes the high road and does not bring up McCain's association w/G Gordon Liddy (convicted Watergate burgular and current nut job article).

I just read today that the CEO of a small gunmaker was forced to resign because of the fall out after he announced he was for Obama and donated cash to his campaign.
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I guess we still have to be careful about making our votes known

scottb wrote: Riley wrote: What I don't understand is why people don't care or even want to ask about Obamas ties to Bill Ayers, his admitted drug use, his going to a church for years led by a racist radical or past statements about retributions. When has a main stream candidate ever had any similar associations or background like that? His supporters want him to be The One so bad they willing to look the other way on everything that's negative about the guy. And the press and media are so in the tank for him it's a disgrace. I think most people are tired of talking about the past and want to hear what they are going to do now. One of the problems w/McCain's campaign is that he keeps trying to target Obama's character, while Obama takes the high road and does not bring up McCain's association w/G Gordon Liddy (convicted Watergate burgular and current nut job article). I just read today that the CEO of a small gunmaker was forced to resign because of the fall out after he announced he was for Obama and donated cash to his campaign. article I guess we still have to be careful about making our votes known

Scott, comparing Liddy to Wright or Ayers is just rediculous and slanderous in itself. The guy did wrong, but served his time. He was commuted and maybe even pardoned by Jimmy Carter. He has, I believe 3 sons that have distinguished carrers in the military.

Interesting article

The next president, by filling inevitable vacancies on the U.S. Supreme Court, will determine the continued existence of our Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

The landmark Heller decision by the U.S. Supreme Court--which struck down the D.C. gun ban and its attendant criminalizing of armed self-defense in the home--was decided by a one vote margin, in a 5-4 decision. The court's decision was aided by briefs filed by Congress and states--briefs signed by John McCain and by Palin's state of Alaska.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden refused to sign in support of the Second Amendment. But for President George W. Bush's two high court nominations, it could easily have gone the other way. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Associate Justice Samuel Alito truly made the difference. Keep in mind that Barack Obama and the man who is now his running mate, U.S. Sen. Joseph Biden, voted against confirming both.

And Biden, one-time chairman of the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee, was radically opposed and used every trick in the book including the threat of a filibuster to kill the confirmation process.

Gun owners have U.S. Sen. John McCain to thank for quashing Biden's filibuster moves and brokering the Senate agreement that allowed confirmation. If Biden had his way, the Senate could have stalled indefinitely, leaving two vacancies unfilled, and creating a seven-member court dominated by the very justices who opposed the Second Amendment as protection for a broad, individual right.

Biden told the NAACP during his own losing primary bid for the Democratic presidential nomination:

"The next president is likely to name at least one, if not three new Supreme Court justices. We should start this national debate by recognizing the truth--that Roberts and Alito have turned the court upside down … . I guarantee you that will change."

Turning “the court upside down …” As in upholding the Second Amendment.

Biden's pledge came in an important context. With funding from globalist gun-banner George Soros, the NAACP filed the most onerous litigation de-signed by our enemies to drive America's firearm industry into bankruptcy.

That suit, argued before Brooklyn, N.Y., U.S. District Judge Jack B. Weinstein, claimed that virtually all elements of the federally regulated and lawful firearm industry were collectively responsible for the totally unrelated illegal acts of armed, violent criminals. The suit ultimately was a loser, but cost consumers millions of dollars in legal fees. It was one of a string of serial, punitive lawsuits brought before lifetime-appointee Weinstein.

And on that score, the last such lawsuit before Weinstein was thrown out by the U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled the litigation violated the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, the NRA-backed 2005 law--a law vehemently opposed by Obama and Biden.

If the Obama and Biden team has its way, the nation will again be flooded with hundreds of such suits creating what one gun-ban lawyer called "death by a thousand cuts." Under an Obama-Biden administration, the lower federal courts would resemble cloned versions of Weinstein's Brooklyn star chamber.

During the remarkable Saddleback forum, Obama attacked the nominations of Associate Justice Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, author of the brilliant Heller decision. Counted with his “no” votes against Roberts and Alito, that's an Obama thumbs down for four of the five justices who rendered the Supreme Court's definitive decision upholding the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right and recognizing the right to armed self-defense in the home.

While we have disagreed in the past with Sen. McCain on a few specific issues, these disagreements pale in comparison to what the future would be like for gun owners if an Obama-Biden regime were to control all organs of federal power and land a one-two punch against freedom.

John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an NRA Life member, life-long gun owner, hunter and staunch Second Amendment supporter. She is an electrifying force for preservation and expansion of all the gains we have made in the past decades.

Suddenly the phony poses of Obama and Biden wrapping themselves around the Second Amendment are stripped to their essence--a semantic trick designed to fool gun owners. You can't let that happen.

Your vote is a remarkable power that you must wield to preserve the Second Amendment.

sanity wrote: Lee, So, if I put 4 ice balloons in the double slingshot and aim across river...would that be an assault weapon? Automatic?

I am pretty sure that would be considered artillery. And you should expect return fire...

Riley wrote: [ Scott, comparing Liddy to Wright or Ayers is just rediculous and slanderous in itself. The guy did wrong, but served his time. He was commuted and maybe even pardoned by Jimmy Carter. He has, I believe 3 sons that have distinguished carrers in the military.

Certainly not comparing the two, however, Obama has denounced Aeyer's acts while McCain told Letterman that Liddy is a good friend. And Liddy did not serve his time, he was pardoned. And I think we all hope that our kids turn out better than we did. But your right, calling him a nut job is possibly slanderous. Of course I don't know how else to describe someone who goes on his radio show and says "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of b***."

How come we aren't hearing about accidents involving liscensed carriers? At least in general? I'll admit that accidents happen...my garage would be a good place to start looking for accidents...but not involving guns.

We hear about shootings every night on the local news...but never about a service man or liscensed gun owner as the perp.

Maybe it's time to think about letting the gene pool thin itself? The idiots of the world are not my responsibility!

Those of us who choose to live by a way of law should not have to suffer those who don't!

Accidents happen building roads, bridges, and cities...sometime unfortunately to kids!    

How many kids die because of guns vs drugs?!!?

And hey Lefty...did you outlaw your boat?

And I'll leave it with this: although I've bought and sold many nice guns over the years, I've never enjoyed one nearly as much as my old Mustang.

I definately like boats the best.

I also like to mention that your elections are really becoming the most important elections in history...
All the networks over here are making special progams in the media on it...
Never saw so much attention by the TV networks here to the US elections as this year!

BuffaloBFN wrote: 81nautique wrote: Lefty??? ouch. I meant Tullfooter and was referring to when he hurt his arm.

My mistake, thought you had me in your sights!!!

Greg, Thats why these forums are difficult, it's hard to convey emotion and intent. My "big Stick" comment was to get you to tell us whats on your mind as you just did. I've been around here long enough to know you have an opinion and it seemed you were holding back. If I didn't value it would not have bothered to try to get it out of you.

On your last comment, I come from a city where the mayor went to jail for stealing a million dollars from taxpayers, the mayor in the next town went to jail for beating up a state trooper. I now reside in a state where our former govenor is in prison and our current govenor will hopefully soon follow. Lock these damn crooks up and throw away the key.