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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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Does anyone have a part number for the points in Prestolite screw down cap dizzy. (89 SN)
Are the points used in any other Automotive applications? Trying to source from normal automotive parts store in Australia. I know I can buy from Skidim but the freight to Aus for just points is not justifiable. I dont want to change to EI would just like to replace points. |
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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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No ideas anyone?
When I was doing a bit of a mini tuneup/check before boats initial water test. I found a problem with the points. The timing was fine 10 degrees BTDC @ 600rpm and got to just below 30 degrees at 4000rpm actually was a bit earlier but did not record. The problem was the dwell was only about 16 degrees the specs say this prestolite should be between 29-33 degrees. The points gap was a bit close but the points were fairly worn and not very flat. After filing flat and re gaping to 18 thou I have about 20 degrees of dwell and the timing is now about 12 degrees. To get the 29-33 would require a huge gap. The rubbing block on the points arm is very worn. I am assuming this is why I cant get the dwell close? I even tried a different dwell meter the reading was the same. The engine still runs fine but have not water tested under load yet. Trying to replace the points before I do this. Any help with sourcing of automotive equivalent points would be appreciated. The plugs were also a bit of a worry they were Champion RV15YC4's gaped at 35 thou. They were very black but the motor has only been idling. The recommended plug states Champion RBL11Y?? Never been a Champion fan usually prefer Denso's. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Lewy,
Were're slowing down over here on the other side of the world as some of us are going into the winter sleep mode. You on the other hand are the opposite! It just means that you may need to wait awhile before someone who knows the exact point part # checks into the site. With the distributor part #, did any of your sources over there pull up a points #? It's not a marine specific part. |
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LaurelLakeSkier ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February-12-2007 Location: Wisconsin Status: Offline Points: 485 |
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Sorry...can't help on the part number but I can give a bit of info on your adjustments. First off, the point gap and dwell setting are really adjusting the same thing. They are just measuring it in different ways, one with a dwell meter (the more accurate of the two), the other with a feeler gauge. Second of all, be sure you do your dwell or point gap adjustment first, then check and adjust your timing. This is important since changing the dwell/point gap will change the timing. |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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Lewy - Earlier this year I was able to take the part # info stamped in the base of the dizzy to NAPA & they were able to get a cap & rotor for me. If you post your # then I would be willing to stop at NAPA & see what they can look up. It would probably be a NAPA # however so I am not sure it would be of much help down under.
I searched the web & came up with this source: The Prestolite divisions which manufacture direct current (DC) motors, switches, contactors, and electronic ignition systems (distributors) were sold to Ametek in 2000. Any questions regarding these kinds of parts should be directed to Ametek. Contact information can be found on their website at: www.ametek.com Ametek 37 North Valley Road Building 4 P.O. Box 1764 Paoli, PA 19301 Tel: 610-647-2121 Toll: 1-800-473-1286 Fax: 610-296-3412 U.S.A Let me know. |
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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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SNob the numbers on the distributor were 7020S 8 M 42 I think this is the model number there is also another number E5JL-12100-CA.
These small numbers are getting harder to read as the years pass may be due for glasses soon. I did a bit of searching last night and found the following site:- Prestolite Marine Distributor parts It shows a model number of IBM 7020S which matches up with one of the numbers on distributor. Points Part No. 18-5303 Rotor Part No. 18-5403 Condensor No. 18-5340 Tried these part numbers at my local parts place who supplies to the Trade but without success. It appears as that everything here relates back to a Bosch cross reference. He had a book with pictures of all contact set configurations but could not match any of them up with the Prestolite points. ![]() Hopefully you can get another part number that I can try. If possible get a Bosch equivalent number. Thanks for your offer of help. I ended setting the points gap to 25thou to get the minimum dwell angle of 29 degrees then had to retard timing back to 10 BTDC. |
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Lewy - Here is some inf:
http://www.boatersland.com/sie18-5258.html Click to enlarge Item #: SIE18-5258 Availability: Usually ships the next business day. Price: $11.15 CONTAINS Sierra # O.E. # Description 18-5303 392-6325 Contact Set 18-5347 392-6324 Condenser 18-5407 3 92-6326 Rotor Prestolite 8 cyl. |
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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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Thanks for that SNob(Chris)
Will try them numbers today with my parts man. Our boats are almost twins. I even have the same high pole as yours. I noticed in the brochure that my clour is actually cranberry. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11173 |
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Hi Lewy
The clip down cap and the screw down cap use the same points and I wrote a bunch of cross reference numbers down about 25 years ago. Here goes Delco A-105PV Standard AL-5677P Sorenson AL-26HV Echlin CS-720A Filko 74-1075 Niehoff AL-11HV along with the NAPA and Sierra number listed above Keno |
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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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Thanks KENO I should be able to get a cross reference off one of them numbers.
I vaguely remember seeing a Echlin book at my parts guy's shop today. I had no luck with the 392 numbers. I was looking thru all of his books and found some pictures of contact sets in a Champion book. The S85V Champion set looked close it states it is for a Dodge or International truck. I wonder if they used a prestolite dissy. Took the boat out for water test today. It runs fine up to 3500rpm then runs very rough. I dont think it is ignition related will replace fuel filter and check breather & anti syphon valve. It felt like it was starving for fuel. I will buy some new Plugs also, unable to source Autolite or Motorcraft and the Champion RBL11Y plug on the engine spec sheet have been replaced by RV12YC plugs. This is a slightly colder plug than the Champion RV15YC4 that are currently in the boat. Do you think a hotter plug will be OK? Probably will spend most of the time around 2-2.5K(20-23mph) Revs boarding with the odd single ski run at around 30mph. Can get NGK, Denso, Champion and Bosch plugs have read a bit in the archives that some of the cross reference plugs are not quite right for these engines. Should I stay with the Champions?? The NGK cross reference plug was a BR6FS which turned out to be a colder plug than the RV12YC |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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Lewy - Can't answer on the plugs but do know that the condenser is not the same for clip down vs. screw down caps.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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Not true. I put the same sets of points and condensor in both my Tique (clip down) and Skier (newer screw down) this past summer. The caps are obviously different, not sure about the rotor. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11173 |
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The caps and rotors are different
The points and condenser are the same Keno |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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I got a freebie set of points & condensor from a friend who had EI. The condensor wouldn't fit, was backwards. I just reused the old one. The kit was from SkiDim.
Don't know why my experience was different, but this is true in my case. Maybe it has something to do with my std rotation vs. his RR. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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Nope, theyre not rotation-specific either. The only thing that is different between a LH and RH Ford distributor is the gear on the end of the shaft. There is no specific orientation to the condensor- there is likely more than one way to mount it using the bracket provided. As long as its held down safely and the copper connector attaches cleanly to the points, youre golden. The kits I installed in my 2 Prestolites were from SkiDIM as well. Hope you didnt throw yours out! |
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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It really was backwards. I remembering pondering how to make it work, but it needed the lead to come out of the opposite end of the can. I doubt if I kept it. I would take a picture of the issue if I had it & the boat here together. It's not enough of an issue to dwell on, but please believe me it would not fit & it wasn't a matter of just bending the lead.
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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OK, my OCD kicked in & I went out & found the errant condensor. (What kind of packrat saves a part that doesn't even work?).
My boat is 50 miles away, so I looked at SkiDim's catalog. Well the answer is right there. See the 2 photos below, the mounting bkt on the condenser is opposite on the screwdown vs. the clipdown kit. I would be willing to ship (domestically), free, this clipdown condenser to anyone who wants to show me how to make it fit properly in a screw down dizzy. I rest my very solid case. ![]() ![]() |
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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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Yep the Echlin number worked CS-720A cross referenced to a Bosch GA-94V. My parts guy ordered them there was only a few sets in the country. Will probably take a couple of days to arrive.
Thanks for your help SNob & KENO. It was stated that they were for Dodge Cars & Trucks, Chrysler cars and Hudson. Not sure of what year & model though. |
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Hi SN
You slide the condenser out of the bracket and put it in the other way. Keno |
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Bracket is welded on. Sorry, but I am correct on this one
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The bracket should not be welded on- but it is very tight, making it a PITA to remove. KENO is right on the money here- the bracket and condensor were not attached in the kit I got from SkiDIM. Even if they were, both my clip down and screw down need the terminal oriented the same way, IIRC (like the lower picture). That copper cable isnt very rigid anyways- a half twist would probably work too.
Notice that the condensor that SkiDIM sells is described as fitting "Prestolite-ALL". My screw down dizzy is in the basement- ship that condensor to me if you want to see it fit. ![]() |
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Chris,
I did a tune up on my 4 cyl. Mercruiser last summer and the condenser didn't even come with a bracket. Trying to remove the old one to use, I too thought it was welded on and even looked for spot weld marks! Some work was need to R&R it. |
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Hey Lewy
The first time I bought points at an auto parts store using a cross ref number from the original ones, the guy behind the counter wanted to know if they were for a 49 Dodge or something like that. It was easier to just say Yep that's what they go to. As far as condensers and welded? on brackets, pull out a little tweaker and pry the bracket off of the condenser SN. Some take more work than others but you can do it. Keno |
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You guys win!
The condenser can be jury rigged by breaking the bracket off (it is spot welded on) & using a different bkt. I myself am going to get the right part. My original point was there are 2 different condensers in SkiDims kits & I proved that. Tim - you are on, but no fair breaking the bracket off. I will PM you for shipping address. |
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Hey SN
I didn't know this was a winners/losers thing. Just trying to help out. Send your old one to TR Benj. Keno |
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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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Managed to delve through a few more ignition books at my mates auto store.
Keno you were close:- Chrysler New Yorker 58-62 Dodge Imperial 58-60 Dodge 65-67 383,413,426 Dodge Truck 58-60 Hudson 56-58 When you tell the auto store employee it is for a boat with a 351W in it you get a blank look at the best. All they want to know is what car it is out of and what year. |
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Lewy
Aussie built Fords came out with a 302 & 351 windsor (points dist) up until the XW Falcon. The part numbers I got after looking it up was (Bosch) GF824V or (Champion) PTS1205 Follow it up that way and see how you go edit- The book only shows them as being fitted with Prestolite dist.. |
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lewy2001 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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91nautique these boats have Prestolite marine distributors fitted totally different dissy to what we used on 302/351 Windsors out here. But thanks for the thought.
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Lewy, I have a 302 w with marine distributor in in my workshop, I will have a look at it tomorrow- I would have thought the points would have been the same though.. Pity you didn't post this up a couple of months ago, I just sold a marine electronic dist for a 351 w for 50 bucks. If you can source a 351 or 302 cleveland marine dist they can easily be modified to suit the w- if you have a lathe. (unlike the windsor the 302-351 cleveland use the same dist) If you want to go that way I can give you the specs. To get up and running why not throw one of these in there, they are available without vac advance http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ford-Windsor-HEI-50-000-Volt-Pro-Comp- Distributor_W0QQitemZ320316805460QQihZ011QQcategoryZ15 8509QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262 |
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