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Hollywood
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You must have parts from 3 boats to have that motorbox, 2 ignition switches, and 2 engine shrouds.
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bkhallpass
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Parts did not come out of a Super Air as a Super Air is a V-Drive.
Quite a project there, but it will be interesting to see you mix the old with the new. There's a fellow on planetnautiuqe that put a GT 40 from a modern boat into his 2001. Also used the modern doghouse if I recall correctly. BKH |
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akabulla
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Eric do you know who in GA might be interested in doing my stringer repair? |
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TRBenj
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Sebastian, those number sound closer. What speed do you ride at?
Get a timing light on that thing- 4200rpm is on the weak side. |
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akabulla
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No problem kapla
I took a better look at all the parts and the dash, all the parts and the engine came out of a 2004 Super Air. Much like this one: Super Air 2004 Here are some picks I have so far as I started to unload the boat today. Seats and Wakeboard Tower: Lots of parts still to unload Engine Seat and Engine Cover Repaired Section Dash, Speakers, Extra Bench and Engine Covers. There is also a keyless ignition system I will post some more pics as I get the rest of the stuff out! |
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kapla
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Lucho/Tim
I can through some numbers from my boat, which i think you know. No speed readings though. With the 14*16 I pulled the boarder +2200 lb ballast (sac and people) @ 2500-2600 rpm. It was hard to plane but it was not that i was killing it. With the new acme 1442 iŽd say numbers went up +200 rpm compared to previous prop and some better holeshot. Still figuring why my wot is 4200 rpm, and was around 40 mph with the speedos with new pitots but not gps adjusted (just intuition adjusted). Still need to full test the new prop to reach to final results.... sorry aka for the highjack here!!! btw nice deal with that boat engine setup |
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TRBenj
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The Excal 330 is a lefty- so he wants to swap the direction of rotation to use a RH prop. Sorry Seb, unless youre running extreme amounts of ballast, I just dont see a 900-1100rpm difference between speed and rpm at normal cruising speeds. Even with an extraordinary amount of ballast that seems pretty far out of whack- I would have thought that a prop change would be in order to overturn by that much. Only getting 40mph at 4800 RPM would support that theory- that boat should have been good for 46-48mph at that RPM. |
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eric lavine
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the 1.23 will also allow you to keep the engine parallel with the stringers, you may also have a zf45 inline on the back of the engine....I dont know for sure, but there are some out there, they use them in Masters and Maliboobs,
they did use zf45's coupled to walters v-drives also. and remember the 1.23 swaps your rotation.....is the engine a lefty or righty...it should say on the tag,,,,,,all things to consider before you dive into the project |
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Luchog
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Tr, sorry but we no longer have that boat available, I remember we had the original OJ prop, I think it was the 422 and we rode at 3000rpm, when we switched to the 4 blade prop recommended for wakeboarding we saw 3200 and it spun like hell when coming out of the hole.
I'm going from memory but this boat (95' SN GT40 Pro Boss) topped at 4800rpm. Definitly it changes with what anyone call "correctly propped" but that again has to do with the use of the boat, dont you think? |
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TRBenj
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I guess that depends what you consider "correctly propped" to be. No way is that 1.23 boat turning a factory 14x16 with those numbers. The Acme's are a touch smaller (~13x15) and Im still within 200rpm/2mph of holding the 1:1 for speed vs. rpm (3000 RPM = 28mph). It sounds like your buddy is running something closer to a 13x14. How many RPM's does he turn at 40mph? |
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Luchog
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Tr, I will explain you my point of view based on my own experience.
when you're wakeboarding and loading the boat you want more rpms to get a smoother pull and keeping speed better, from my experience this engines pull better between 2600-3200rpm. With my setup 1:1 gear, 240-255HP engine and Acme 542 I get 21mph at 2250rpm with not much load, I can feel the engine is not that strong there and it wants to go up, thing is I get 23mph at 2400rpm and it's just too much speed for wakeboarding. If I drop the throttle to 2600 the engine runs pretty strong and I see 25-26mph, it's ok for cruising but too much for boarding. Perhaps if I load the hell out of the boat numbers will come closer to what I expect. On the correctly propped 1.23:1 boats I've been on 3000rpms at 21mph is not an issue to accomplish, and the boat handled A LOT of weight at 3200 keeping the same speed. Perhaps not the fasters of boats but you could get a decent 40mph too. |
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Hollywood
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I've seen the pictures from the previous ad, a 210 didn't have a motorbox, so maybe it wasn't a 210 which might mean that trans is in fact a PowerPlus reduction. I would have thought he would have taken the v-drive unit too if there was one. Anywho, great find I've been watching that boat for a long time, glad to see it's on CCFan! |
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TRBenj
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I would be very concerned about the quality of the job that you would get for that amount of money. I sure as hell wouldnt touch a stringer/floor job for $800! I dont see how anyone could put in the time required for a quality job at that price. I guarantee that they'd be skimping on materials or cutting corners (or likely, both). Ive never priced a job myself, but the quotes Ive heard from others here have been at least twice that amount. Proceed with caution! Looks like you got a pretty good deal with all the parts thrown in.
Luciano, thats not exactly true. At running speeds, the reduction tranny will have the engine running similar RPM's as the 1:1 boats (30mph = 3,000 RPM) because you typically run a much larger prop on the 1.23 (14x16 is stock instead of the 13x13). The advantage you'll see with the reduction is at the holeshot- the initial prop slip will have the engine turning faster (which equals more power) than the 1:1. Stock vs. stock, I got an instant 3000-3200rpm out of the hole on my 240hp '90 with the 1.23, whereas my 1:1 302 (220hp) boats only get ~2400rpm. I do recommend finding a 1.23 tranny though- that will be the only way that you can run a RH prop with the LH 330excal. Its doubtful any of the props that the boat came with will be ideal, though- neither the 210 nor the stock '83 would have used the prop you'll want for that powertrain combo. |
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Luchog
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The 210 came with a PCM 1:1 and a Walter V-drive unit until they replaced with the whole PCM Power Vee package, so you could have a PCM 1:1 transmision.
If you have a Borgwarner 1:1 it came from the 2001. If you're planning a total rebuild on the boat and plan on using it for wakeboarding I'd recomend getting a PCM 1.23:1, the reduction allows the engine to rev higher at boarding speeds and it pulls much better. If you have the complete V-drive setup I'd be curious to see it on a 2001 hull as it's very similar to the old 210 hull. |
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akabulla
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I will get some pics today. The trans is an inline transmission so now that I think of it I guess it couldn't have come out of a 210 or it would be a VDrive huh?
He was a boat claims adjuster and was the first to see the 2001 and the Nautique the engine came out of after the storm. When they were both declared totaled he made an offer on both. He said he just ran out of time on trying to rebuild the 2001 and his wife wanted all the parts out of the garage. I will post pics soon. All the parts are still loaded in the boat. |
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eric lavine
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your lucky my flight was cancelled ...one of the members in Georgia is looking to do some stringer work...he does superb work and would be worth the trip for you.
congratulations on a nice purchase, did he ever say why he needed to sell the boat? |
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nautiless
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Pics! You lucky fish......congrats on your find and purchase.
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storm34
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Congrats!!
I'm with Critter! I want to see some pictures of this! Sounds like a dream come true! |
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WakeSlayer
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Wow. Screaming deal. You may just have 2 jigsaw puzzles to put together. The motor alone is worth that.
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critter
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Congratulations..
Is this the thread that you have chosen to post the pictures of your progress ? We like pictures |
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JoeinNY
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Sweet deal!
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Luchog
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congratulations!!! Did you get the whole transmision/v-drive unit from the 210 or just the inline transmision???
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akabulla
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Well after a long trip back from Florida I have my first 2001 in the garage! Yes it is in 2001 pieces and needs to go back together but that just makes it all more exciting! I will take some pics and post them once I get all the stuff unloaded. Here is what I got for $3000!
The list just goes on and on. He had a lot of stuff. He pretty much had everything he could of salvaged from the 210 plus 100 times more stuff than I could ever use. I have pretty much everything to put the boat back together. Now I just need to figure it all out. It is like having a jig saw puzzle without the picture on the box! He also gave me two 5 gallons buckets of resin and a box of fiberglass mat and a bunch of rollers. I am also contemplating if I should do the stinger and floor work myself. I found a shop nearby that said they would do it for $2300. I figure if I spend $1500 on materials then that is only $800 for the actual work. Seems pretty good to me. I have a CCfan member who is going to come over and help me figure out my next step. I love doing the mechanical and upholstery work but fiberglass work is not appealing to me. Wish me luck and as I progress in the rebuild I will be sure to post some pics! Later! Aka |
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