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    Posted: April-22-2009 at 9:35pm
Bruce here is 2 1/2 if that is the size you need.90 degree pipe
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Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

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I saw your comment about muffler grade ss for exhaust. I had been thinking about going that route for the S bend coming out of my manifold. What do you think the life spand is on muffler grade ss?


Bruce, My HM originally came with moulded 3" 90's. 20 years ago I could not not find anything but 16 gauge steel.Just changed them out since I had the heads off with these magna flow ss. Turns out my hose was going bad too,they were originally changed out at same time,so I think any stainless will out last your hose anyway.



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Mike, thanks. I'll measure it this week end and let you know.
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Bruce, check your exhaust thru hull port.   Mine were 2 3/8's. Let me know on that other stuff.
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I'll have to figure that part out when I'm looking at the engine. Maybe I can just shorten the straight section between the 2 elbows and let the rubber exhaust hose to the through hull make up for the angle. Once I get the hose down near the level of floor board, I have plenty of room to clear the motor box.

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I used a band saw to cut my stainless pipes. When I cut my 80* angle from the U pipe, I had enough pipe to double clamp the hose to it.
Bruce, I have about a 4 foot section of 2.5" corrugated hose from DIM left over. They charge you an arm and a leg, I would be less and I would love to slightly offset my costs. Actually, I have a 2.5" Ubend pipe left over too.   

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Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

Yes, it is 2.5". $38+-. That is within the budget. I can cut one with a hack saw to allow for the angle of the engine. Great source. Thanks Tim.


Bruce,
You can cut a pie shaped section of the 90 out but you'll need to have it welded back together. You need the "tail" (straight section) of tube for the hose to clamp to.

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You will probably need to get 90 degree but since you don't need the full 90, a section of the bend will need to be cut out and then welded back together.


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Yes, it is 2.5". $38+-. That is within the budget. I can cut one with a hack saw to allow for the angle of the engine. Great source. Thanks Tim.
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Tim,
This is on Bruce's straight 6 so he'll only need 2 bends.

Bruce,
Is it 2&1/2"? Looks like the site Tim found is half the price of Mcmaster! It will fit into your budget better!!


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This is what I have to duplicate. This is a low budget boat. I suppose the muffler grade stuff is better than what Coorect Craft used which is what is in the picture. Elbows and hoses will work. I think the bends won't be as tight though.

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Bruce, if you decide to move forward with this you'll save a ton of money by sourcing the bends from Verocious Motorsports.

If you need 4 bends total, I think you'll come out ahead by buying the U bends. Dont go by what Pete just linked to- I believe you'll need 3"!

If you want to have some full custom S-pipes made up (cut, weld, grind), I can give you a rough idea what it will cost. You might want to be sitting down though!
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Bruce,
If you go the butt weld fitting route, use the "long radius" elbows. They have the straight tails on the ends so you have a section to clamp the hose off to. This is for a 2&1/2" OD. Just guessing at the size you need!

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Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

I saw your comment about muffler grade ss for exhaust. I had been thinking about going that route for the S bend coming out of my manifold. What do you think the life spand is on muffler grade ss?


Stick with the 304 stainless and not the 400 series "muffler" tubing. Mcmaster SS tube fittings

My background goes back to my after college days with SS. I've always known the difference in corrosion resistance between the 300 and 400 but had never really seen visual proof until a couple weeks ago. We are about to start stamping and polishing pan and pot lids for Alclad. (back from China - yes!!!) Alclad are the ones who make/market all the real high end cookware (the $2000 set that my wife will never see!!) Anyway, the lids are currently being made in China from 400 but because 400 here in the states isn't used for higher quality work, we can't get the 400 in the 2BA (shiny finish) needed. We can in 300 but it's a slightly higher cost. Alclad wanted to know if the extra cost was worth it and could be used as a little extra marketing tool. They went and put both the 400 and the 300 side by side salt in a spray cabinet for a accelerated corrosion test. After 1 week the 400 was solid rust and the 300 showed no signs of corrosion!

Edit: You will probably need to get 90 degree but since you don't need the full 90, a section of the bend will need to be cut out and then welded back together.


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Take a look at the next Malibu when you see one and you'll see what I mean. I bet they used that same material for at least 5 years before they wised up. I never knew electrolisis was possible in fresh water until I saw it. I'm told a magnesium anode will solve the problem, but try finding one! The only ones I've seen are in expensive kits you can buy for a stern drive.

Anyway, I have a ss set screw for the strut and will use it, providing I haven't ruined the sleeve. If I have, I'll probably just take the strut off and bring it to a machine shop and have it done right. The sealant around the strut looks crappy and I have no idea if it leaks or not. I just don't want to open up a can of worms with aligning the strut.

I saw your comment about muffler grade ss for exhaust. I had been thinking about going that route for the S bend coming out of my manifold. What do you think the life spand is on muffler grade ss?
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Bruce,
The "white metal" is the common term for a zinc die casting. There are many alloys but it's basically aluminum and zinc. Zinc is even lower on the galvanic table than aluminum! It's the reason it's used to make sacrificial anodes for boats. Sounds like Malibu must have hired a ex CC engineer years back!!!!


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Looks like the same metal as a lower unit on an outboard. What we used to call white metal?

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Bruce,
Do you know what the alloy of the plate was? Malibu must have realized the problem since they replaced it with SS. If you search for the galvanic table and know the two materials, the farther away they are from each other on that table the more prone they are to galvanic corrosion. The lower of the two numbered metals will act as the anode and it will corrode. Sounds like this alloy Malibu had was one of the aluminums. They are always low on the table!!


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Pete, I never heard of a problem with fresh water boats until I bought my Malibu. At the last minute, I ordered the wedge. It has an alloy plate on the boat and the foil has nebral arms and an alloy foil. The alloy corodes like crazy. They now have replaced the alloy with ss, at least as an option. My kids weren't using it, (they're not big into wakeboarding), so I took the foil off the boat. I never would have gotten it, if I knew that thing was going to corrode like that.
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There's no problem with dis similar metals?


Bruce,
I've never had a problem nor have I ever heard of the problem on fresh water boats. I just went and found the galvanic table for metals. The listing has about 100 metals. The SS at #40 rating and the bronze at a #52 rating are so close to each that you don't need to be concerned.


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thats why you saw in the thick part of the strut, not the thin area, you can always see when you bust through the bushing.
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Thanks Guys I'll take whats left of my set screws and look through the little drawers at the hardware store.   Monty
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Eric, good idea about turning them in. You must be good with a sawzall. I wouldn't dare go near the strut with mine.
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if you sawzall the bushing it relieves the pressure of the screws also and makes them easier to remove, alot of times i will saw the bushing and remove then turn the set screws in, instead of out
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I've got this whole weekend to work on the boat. I'm going to put the shaft in and see if it turns alright. If not, I'll cut the CB out and order a new one. If it does turn ok, I'll use threaded rod and a torch to press it in.

I've got new ss set screws. There's no problem with dis similar metals?
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Both of my set screws were stripped out so I drilled and used a easy out. both came out with it. Where would I get new ones? Monty


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Bruce, Use some "removable" Locktite on the screws. If the old ones are slotted, I'd replace them with socket head (allen) SS.


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I also worked on removing my bearing tonight. Both of my set screws were stripped out so I drilled and used a easy out. both came out with it.
Where would I get new ones?
They look like they are bronze or brass.
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Bruce,
It's hard to say if the new cutlass is trash or not. If the end is mushroomed then it could probably be cut off slightly without hurting anything. The dimple from the channel locks isn't good because I'm sure the cutlass isn't round anymore. As you know, it's a tight fit!! It's got to go in straight and doing that under the boat with a splitting maul got you into trouble. I'd go for a new one.

If the bedding under the strut looks good and isn't all dried up and falling off then I'd leave it on. If it leaks when you get the boat in the water then you can rebed the strut. The shaft can stay and won't need to come off - just unbolt the coupling halves.


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Pete, I was using a splitting maul and not a hammer. It's bunged up a little on the end and I put a dimple in it when I put my huge channel locks on it. Do you think it's probable trashed? From reading the other thread, do you think I ought to remove the strut to make sure there are no leaks. I'd say the alignment was ok as the shaft log was fine. I wished I didn't touch the boat yesterday. I attempted 3 jobs and failed at all three.

I did remove one set screw, the other one was sheared off and smooth. Never got it in that far, anyways.
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Bruce,
You need K.O.'s dad with his hammer!! No really the threaded rod is a good method. Use fine threaded rod. It will take more cranking but will also give you a mechanical advantage.

Tims drilling dimples for the set screws is good. I do it too. Not too deep as the brass shell is thin. It holds the cutlass better without over tightening the set screws. Use some "removable" Locktite on the screws. If the old ones are slotted, I'd replace them with socket head (allen) SS.


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what greg said, I did mine like that, did you remember to take off the 2 locking screws?
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