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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Lets see how much water the foam of today will soak up? the lump is off the top of a pour hole so has a nice skin on the dome and a sawn flat face to the other side.
The dry weight is 46.7g now have placed in a old can under water with a rock on it to hold it down, will check the weight every so often. ![]() ![]() |
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kapla ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-27-2008 Location: BA, Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6148 |
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Roger..you are the man!! that boatis looking good!!! keep it going...
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Thanks Peter thought it would make a few smile, it was my first attempt with foam so unsure how tight it would go but as it happened the PVC I used was a good thickness and along with the pour holes not that much pressure build up, but you do get some heat as it sets so you could get problems if you used thin PVC
As for the pull strips as it worked out they were not needed you can just lift out foam in a bag in one. ![]() One thing that may be of interest to the purists if you are going to pour Foam straight into the hull for a lay up floor you could do as I have but cut the PVC off around the top or if its a total original foam straight in the hull make some boards up with pour holes cover with PVC to lay on top of stringers add weights and fill that way foam is set at right height with that nice film to the top. Need some out of the box thinking juice so a few bottles of Old Peculiar Ale should do it ![]() |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Roger,
I always enjoy your ideas because you really think "out of the box" but with a engineered perspective too. I think I mentioned it before but I really like your fabbing up the ductwork with glass. No worries with it bonding off to bulkheads because of a dissimilar materials. What's the idea with the pull strips? Foam removal in one piece? EDIT: I see you just added more pictures with the foam removed so disregard my question!!! |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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![]() If you have the odd hole make a small amount of foam and fill, just lay the PVC back on then the board with weights ![]() ![]() Once your happy with the foam just clean off odd bits around the edges and fold over the over hang onto the top and tape up ![]() Now you should have the foam in a bag ![]() This should be Ok for the guys that use sheet material for the floor like I am, but would need some more thought if you are to lay up a floor over it. |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Have been trying out an idea with foam,seems to work.
![]() First built up a former where I need a gap and laid in some pull strips ( I used plastic pallet banding ) ![]() Then lined out the hole thing with PVC sheet and used a hair drier to soften and fold making sure it all in one piece and extra to over hang all round, I used DPC the PVC used in concrete floors as its strong. ![]() Made a top cap out of mdf cover with PVC, with joint on the out side and holes to pour the foam through. ![]() Lay top cap on top with some weights and sticks. ![]() When dry cut off PVC from top and flush off foam around holes should the be able to lift off top board and peel off PVC top. |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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HI Jim and thanks good to see how others are doing there glass work, like the Idea of your stringers will have a go at that on my other 78 and will try your PVA tip as I have tones of Mdf here and PVA but may have a slight problem as I think in the USA your PVA is much better,yellow in colour and pure, as in the UK we have the white type which has allot of fillers in it but will give it a go.
Have a look at Hasbeenskier posts he has used a sheet of glass with wax. More Like a Briar Patch Roger. |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Hi Andy yes so far only used plastic/pvc to line my moulds, found the stretch pallet wrap works best, using the brown parcel tape is ok if you lay up at the end of the day and strike the next morning, found on one of the main tank bodies I left it for a few days before I struck the mould, which did suck the tape onto the epoxy and took many hours to pick off, so yes mould release would be good to add too I think, I am still a rookie with this and only used what's around the shop, come to think of it we have some bees wax I wonder ? also if waxed may find the epoxy soaked biaxial will slide around, it was hard without wax did feel like I ran out of hands when laying up.
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DAY_TRIP ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: August-24-2009 Location: Juno Beach Fl Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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Roger,
Great work! love the foam molds. You probably know already but if you want to avoid the plastic you can use PVA. just brush or spray on and it makes a plastic like film over your mold that is water soluable. For flat surfaces you can use a MDF/fiber board with a coat of cheap primer and then the PVA each time you lay up and it will pull right off. Either way very cool work. |
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Andy ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-27-2008 Location: M'boro, TN Status: Offline Points: 382 |
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Do you ever use wax for a release agent? Or is it not an issue with the plastic?
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Pete, your passion for CC boats is known around the world, all the best Roger.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Roger, Thanks for you're consideration. Now I can sleep better!! |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Thanks Monty good to here from you,not good on the contract front not sure how it works in the USA , but with this hanging over your head you just can't plan for the future.
As for the boat I plod on, for the rudder port I used 1/4 sheet glass first to bring me up over the uneven hump in the hull around the port so just cut a big hole and filled around the hump, I found the old wood was set on a cotton wool like glass which was full of water after 3 years out as was the back ply lifting support,water had wicked right up to the top. I know you have uncovered your port just be careful if you grind the glass under the wood its not flat there is a hump to work around. Then on top of the 1/4 layer some cloth followed by 1/2 glass sheet then cloth and biaxial over the top. As for no wood hope the boats will be used by my daughters and there kids if I'm lucky, so with that in mind trying to build in low care boat for sea and lake. The only wood I'm keeping are the 2 blocks each side for the Speedo dampers just to remind me of original Pete. Roger. |
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79TiqueRebuild ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: January-21-2009 Location: Kansas City, Mo Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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Roger, Looks great! I don't think you will be concerned with wood rot.Thanks for the bump. I hope to get going on my project again soon. Been waiting since April on Our contract at work.
Is the hole for the rudder drilled bigger then filled with epoxy for more strength? Also is the backing coosa board? Keep the pictures coming. Monty |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Seb here are some odd bits I did a while back.
All in S/S and Glass/Epoxy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() All the best Roger. |
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kapla ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-27-2008 Location: BA, Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6148 |
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shaun most likely you will end up doing the stringers!!! if you foung rot there its surely on the strigers also....
Roger any updates on your boat? pics? Seb |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Shaun I think the cradle came in mid to end of 79 so if you do not have one I think yours is pre cradle which was a 6x2 notched into the stringers and across under the floor, as for the partition in front of it yes it should be there and water tight if not water will soak into the foam and slow the boat down with all the extra weight.
May be able to pull the pylon out and fix a 8x2 or bigger to get you to the end of the season but it sure looks like its a full stringer job in the fall/winter. Have a look at this post too, you will see what needs to be done. 79 nautique rebuild Roger, |
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Hey Alan, you don't know off hand if my 79 should have a steel frame for the pylon do you? Either way I have a problem, just curious. Started going through the boat tonight after work to see about fixing my loose pylon which was clunking in rough water last week at Clinton and after pulling up the carpet and what looks like someone's attempt at fixing or reinforcing the pylon has made a bigger problem. A section of the stringers from the pylon forward, about 2ft are rotten where they were notched for the steel frame as well as the partition between that and the battery box. Not sure what to do at this point. I'll post some pics tomorrow. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Seb you can always earn more money but time once its used that's it.
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kapla ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-27-2008 Location: BA, Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6148 |
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not sure as I will be left with the pockets empty after my euro trip and boat TLC!!!
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nautiless ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June-30-2008 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 186 |
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Kap:
I enjoy both football and rugby. We're really jacking up for World Cup. Our city is a host city so pop in if you like. I got space.....you're welcome. |
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nautiless ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June-30-2008 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 186 |
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No prob Roger. The Lion's forwards had us worked out last weekend.
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kapla ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-27-2008 Location: BA, Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6148 |
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thraed jack..
nauti..so u like soccer? how about me going there to the world cup? got place? LOL |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Nautiless thanks, you will have no problem with your stringer job had the tanks full all over the weekend until Monday and not a drip to be seen, did think I would have the odd one but all clear just shows how good the epoxy is.
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nautiless ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June-30-2008 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 186 |
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Roger:
Fancy work. Most impressed...... |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Greg and Seb I could spin a load of BS that it was all worked out but the truth is I just went for it to see if I could do it had no idea of what weight it would come out to shame the extra 2 lb is on the drivers side, still if I use speedo's instead of board shorts may balance it up.
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kapla ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-27-2008 Location: BA, Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6148 |
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little piece of engineering!!!
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Which side are you going to put the heavy one on?
![]() Just kidding; that's amazing that your weights are so close! |
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uk1979 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-13-2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1426 |
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Have them full of water and on test
![]() Also go the weights done Tank 1 ![]() Tank 2 ![]() Now on Tank 3 under the back seat. |
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