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    Posted: September-15-2009 at 2:17pm
I am in the early stages of planning a restoration of a older Nautique, 70s/80s. I want to remove all of the graphics so that the boat is completely white. Can the colored graphics be buffed out? Will I need to repaint the boat? Has anyone done this?
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post some pics of the boat...I know vynil grafics can be removed with the help of a heat gun...
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Andrew,
Before you do anything, get a full size tracing of the existing graphics. This will come in handy if you are planning or ever want to do a true restoration. A sign shop can make you a Gerber mask which is a vinyl stencil for painting.

I suggest trying to restore the gel first. There are several good threads here that go through the wet sanding/buffing process.

The painted graphics can be removed with paint stripper designed for fiberglass and then a final wet sanding.

Painting a fiberglass boat in my opinion is a half a$$sed way of covering up bad gel coat. If the gel can't be brought back or there are too many scratches that can't be filled then re gel coating is the proper way of restoring a fiberglass boat.

Keep in mind that under the graphics you may find the color of the virgin gel coat. The surrounding gel may never come out the same color and you will be left with the graphics "ghosting" of this virgin color.

Be very careful on how you use the term "restoration". A true restoration would include the original graphics!



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would that be considered a true restoration on Elizabeth Taylor?
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

would that be considered a true restoration on Elizabeth Taylor?


There are certain things that can never be restored!!!!!


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You are right, I should have never used the word "restoration" I just want to get a boat the needs some TLC. Something to keep me busy over the winter.
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Do you guys think it would be possible to touch up vinyl graphics with an airbrush ?
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Originally posted by lonestar lonestar wrote:

Do you guys think it would be possible to touch up vinyl graphics with an airbrush ?


All the vinyl comes in standard colors. Go to your sign shop and get some small pieces. Cut out any frayed edges of the old and then make patches slightly larger than the damaged area. The color should be closer than trying to match with paint.


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Only slightly related, but it is a slow news day:

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That spice idea will work great. For the most part my lettering is faded away . I had a thought that I might be able to spruce it up a bit with an airbrush,,,, I dont know just a thought. But what paint to use ? will it hold up? a lot of variables.
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Originally posted by lonestar lonestar wrote:

That spice idea will work great. For the most part my lettering is faded away . I had a thought that I might be able to spruce it up a bit with an airbrush,,,, I dont know just a thought. But what paint to use ? will it hold up? a lot of variables.


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What year and boat do you have? You mentioned vinyl first and then paint. If paint, you could try the air brush but I don't feel you'll get the greatest results. Post some pictures. You may want to consider a hull wet sand/buff and then go with the Gerber mash I mentioned to really restore the graphics. The painted graphics were done with Rust-oleum so the colors are still available.


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Pete,
Its an 88 2001. Yes the graphics are vinyl somehow I missed the gerber mash ? Im guessing the idea of touch up paint on the vinyl isnt such a good one.
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I have some non-original stripes painted on my 75 hull that I just can't get off. I tried just about everything. Is there a recomended paint? This winter I would like to paint the hulls than go back with the correct graphics.
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Paul,
What have you tried so far to remove the stripes? If you're planning on painting the hull, just sand it off. BTW, I highly recommend doing the hull correctly. Re gel - no paint!


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check the whats new section right here on CCF forums. there are replacement vinyl graphics becoming available.
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Pete, I have tried just about every type of chemical. I tried a heat gun and even wet sanding using 350 grit. It is a big stripe and covers the stern. If I smooth the old paint can I re-gel overit. Will it cover and hide the color? I do plan on using the newvinyle graphics. Paul
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Paul,
How about some specifics on the chemicals you've tried. Have you tried a methylene chloride stripper (Zip Strip)? You can't gel coat over paint. Sanding? Have you tried anything more aggresive than the 320 wet? How sure are you that it it paint? By chance do you think the stripe was done in gel?


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I tried some pretty agressive airplane stripper in a spray can and some jell paint stripper. I will try the zip strip.I have not tried anything more agressive than 320 wet but I guess if I am going to re-gel than more agressive sanding should be ok. I'm pretty sure it is paint. At first I thought it was vinyl because it is so raised. I found an owner two back who told me he had it painted at a local shop. I doubt it was gel. How could I tell and if it is can that be removed?
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Take the aircraft paint stripper and smear it on. Then take some plastic wrap and put over it for 15 mins. It should be soft then. Not sure if it will mess with the gel coat though??

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Paul,
If it is paint and not gel then it may be a urethane and they can be tough to strip. Anything out of a spray can isn't going to do much. It's thin to get it out of the can and really dries too quick for it to attack the paint. Getting plastic wrap on it is good but it needs to be done quickly - do it in small sections. What was the gel you tried? You need to use some decent stripper here. This is a major job so don't just run into the HD and grab something off the shelf. Yes, you do need to be careful with the stripper softening the gel. Put a coat of stripper on, scrape off the loosened paint and move to the next section leaving the previous section to dry up some. Interlux does make a stripper designed for gel coat but it's a toss-up between the stripper being strong enough to attack the paint and not the gel!!

Take the sander to it!! Do you have a random orbit sander?


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Pete,
I'm not sure of the kind of gel I used but just found that my local hardware store has the zip-strip. I will try that and use a random orbital sander I do have. Maybe 220 dry? Thanks for the advise I will let you know the results. Paul
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