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lfskizzer ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-26-2007 Location: Wilton, CT Status: Offline Points: 290 |
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Ryan,
I guess you missed my message, I am interested in the interior what ya asking for it. Let me know via email my 85 all has wood frames and looks to be all fiberglass/plastic in this. -Phil My email addy |
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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We'll ski thru October then again on New Years Day. Start back up @ April
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...those who have fallen and those who will.
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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Ryan,you guys still footin or did you call it quits for the year?
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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Boat factory had a 13-13 prop and was almost two inches from the hull.I called acme before I purchased a v-drive and he recomended a 1.5-1 tranny.I was told there where a ton of prop options and that a larger prop could be used safely.Im guessing I will end up with a 13.25-15.5 rh 105 cup
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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Pulled the gas tank and underwater gear today then put the boat on a rollaround,
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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I'm from Duncan, but live a 1/2 mile off of Lake Murray
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...those who have fallen and those who will.
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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Altus Oklahoma nine miles from the texas border. |
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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Just for the record this boat is totaly smashed.there are cracks running not only the length of the water line but also from the skegs to the sides.It was in need of major repair but Chris's dad wouldn't let him do more than a few floor sections and gell I am sure was out of the question.So its not a perfect boat just a old ski nautique in need of some serious work.There was a hand full of things that where nice and cannot be reused but I am sure they can be passed on too somebody else.
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Swatkinz ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-03-2003 Location: Lexington, SC Status: Offline Points: 1307 |
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I get the feeling this is going to be my new favorite thread....sorry pumpkin patch. F&F that is ambitious but if I had half the skills that you and 84resto have, I'd do it myself. I am very much looking forward to following this during the offseason and sincerely hope you don't lose interest in posting progress pics and information. 84restos modifications blew me away and I hope that yours turns out just as good. Good Luck, man! That's a kick a@@ project
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Steve
2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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Ryan, were in Oklahoma are you?
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...those who have fallen and those who will.
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Luchog ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-17-2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 2135 |
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84 resto, I was the one who posted your project on this site, I thought it was worth for everyone to check it out!.
I'll shoot you a few questions Do you have any pics of your boat running? did it end up too bow high? What prop did you finally put on? and what kind of performance are you getting out of it? Does it porpoise at high speeds? if so where at? Did you consider a different route for the exhaust pipes avoiding the U bend? |
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84resto ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: September-30-2009 Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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Hi guys, followed this over form the2001.com. I did the first conversion that was posted there and i guess someone took the picstures and posted them on here as well.
form&function, first let me say good luck, its going to be a lot of work. Youre starting at the right time, giving yourself 5-6 months to complete depending on where you are located. First, i went with a 1.21 ratio walters. So i cant comment on the 1.5:1 Dont worry about the shorter stack vdrive/trannys these guys are talking about. the position and angle of the shaft in the boat would only mean you have to move the motor further foward with a shorter stack setup. So you dont gain any space in the boat. That is unless you change your shaft, shaft hole in the boat. I dont think its worth it but thats up to you. I used stock driveshaft and with walter everything fell right into place. That boat looks liek its in GREAT condition!!! Might want to rethink that gelcoat job. Its longgggg hard work and its expensive, and you have a great looking boat already. If you have any other questions youre stuck on let me know. What are you using the boat for? Wakeboarding or Surfing? I hope you dont plan on any slalom skiing. |
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Fl Inboards ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-20-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2160 |
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Yea! But they are notourious leakers their is a reason we call them throw away transmissions! ![]() And for the record I am running nearly 700 Hp to a PCM 1:1 in a flat coupled to a Casale V drive after three years of hard launches and high RPM runs it has held up beautifuly, NOte: just dont throw em in reverse to hard! ![]() |
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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Luchog ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-17-2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 2135 |
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Eric wich a much shorter unit you would need to put a lot of wedge plates.... or place the engine not all that far into the back, maybe it's doable but my point is that some planning needs to be done.
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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and you could easily pump 500 ponies to the hurth, and to clarify F and F, you can only spin the input of the 630's left hand but, you could use a left or a right handed prop..because they are full power forward and a full power reverse transmission because of the lack of a planetary's
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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robust!!! decieving word, remove the r and the o, lol
I keep saving tranny's for all these projects, from a cost perspective he has the BW already, and is halfway there, but if you had to purchase the combo it would be more cost effective to go with the 630, the 630 would shorten the engine hatch for more room in the boat. just posting for future reference..sht if i had a turbo 400 laying around i would try to use it,lol If it was a wish list with no budget the choice for me would be the 630, and there is nothing wrong with the route your taking.. luch, the angles are close and if need be you could use a wedge plate to accomadate any angle |
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Fl Inboards ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-20-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2160 |
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To Form and function.
Great idea and good luck with the transformation. I did the first SuperSport back in late 93 by transforming our Sport prototype over to V-drive configuration. On this 2001 V-drive project the walters is a great choice. Robust! If at all possible I would couple it with a Borg 71-c even though the PCM and Hurth are lighter weight. Keep us updated on your project. Also the OJ XPC shaft seal has worked marvelous in all our applications includung our old race boat! |
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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Luchog ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: April-17-2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 2135 |
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Eric, if he would have choosen the ZF, it's a much shorter unit he'd need to modify the strut and shaft angle to fit and that would be entering into dark territories.
Maybe not the Walters, but any "longprofile" unit. Joe certainly has a point there, what's the largest diameter you can fit in there now? I'd use a 1' 1/8'' shaft too if possible with the 1.5:1, a 16 pitch propeller turns like crazy with that power reduction. You dont have much propeller choices on 13' for that power reduction but you do on 13.5. |
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5698 |
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If you are not able to reuse 90% of that interior I would seriously consider selling it all as a unit and starting from scratch if you havent already. I am all about the mods if you feel its going to increase your enjoyment of the boat but that was a seriously beautiful boat to begin with, its hard to swallow that your jumping right into gelcoat changes... very ambitious.
The 1.5:1 is going to make things interesting with the prop and running gear. That much of a torque multiplyer puts you well into a larger prop shaft diameter. Frankly a 1.23:1 is about the limits of a 1" shaft and that is why propellers arent made with larger pitches and a one inch bore. You can get away with it on the 1:23 with very careful selection of prop shaft material and running higher rpm/lower torque engines. With the best of materials and a stock 240 hp engine you may be able to run a 1" shaft but its the hairy edge and you will be limited to a prop that is underpitched (not necessarily a bad thing for a very wakeboard specific boat). Should be a great project... |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Ryan, You haven't gotten to the point of installing the Walters yet so it's not too late. I really question the unit being "bullet proof". Lots of problems out there with it!! The "U" joint design is not what I consider a engineering marvel!! You should give Eric a call and talk to him about the 630V. |
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behindpropeller ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: July-31-2006 Status: Offline Points: 1810 |
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Might as well size the tranny for 320 hp since you can get the 351 up to there pretty easy. Tim |
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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Waldo,being in the streetrod/restoration business the first rule of thumb is start with the best you can find because it cost more to repair then to buy nice.I tried the best I could to let Chris know what I was doing and assume he will be very proud to have previously owned this boat when he sees the end result.Besides that I am rebuilding this dude and extending its life far into the future.
Peter,I didn't understand the magnitude of what I was involved in until I was already knee deep in torches and bent pullers.I guess I should have asked first and saved the time. Eric,my first choice was the 630v but it was designed to run both directions so as to use two lefthand engines and cannot be setup for a right hand engine.I don't know how much the right hand really matters but I didn't want to risk any side effects from a direction conversion.I also considered a casale gearbox with a small driveshaft but found the cost to be very high and the people envolved with those boxes are a pita to deal with. The reality is the rv26 walters is cheap easy to install and behind a 240 horse is almost bullet proof.I also felt like if I went to sell this boat the factory unit would look more professional. |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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yes, me too, i have a couple beautiffffful hsw 630v's, much shorter stack up than the bw walters set up, self contained unit, can spin it either direction full power, should i keep going, ok ...all aluminum, no plantaries, much quieter, no u-joints, lol
its the cadillac of v-drives and if sought could be found cheap...plus some day they will be converted to electric shift and troll mode if needed |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Ryan,
I admire your ambition even though I feel it would have been easier to start with a V drive hull! Of course then the hull would be different. The shaft couplings can be a real PITA!! The couplings are a heat shrink fit. Looks like Chris got it on correctly - of course I'd expect that from him! Sometimes I feel it's easier and would take less time to pull the engine and then remove the shaft forward. Since you need to pull the engine, I'm just wondering why you didn't use that method. For future reference, using the four fine thread threaded rods with a deep socket between the prop shaft and the trans coupling works pretty good. You have the advantage of the four bolts instead of two to apply the pressure. BTW, if you plan on using that couplig half again, you should press it on the prop shaft, chuck up the shaft in the lathe and then take a cut on the mating face. There's a good chance that it's warped from using the two bolt puller. I'm curiuos about your Walters choice? Fill us in! |
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Waldo ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: July-09-2009 Location: Iowa Status: Offline Points: 262 |
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Wouldnt it have been easier or should I say less painful just to start a project like that on some abandoned hull. I have a weird feeling some furniture got thrown around Chris's college apartment after opening this post. Hopefully he lives on the ground floor or somebody needs to go over and padalock the sliding glass door to the balcony.
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lfskizzer ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-26-2007 Location: Wilton, CT Status: Offline Points: 290 |
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Hey Ryan,
I got a question for ya about your interior pieces that you took out. Email me at skizzer@optonline.net Thanks so far looking good. I am just finishing up my stringer job on my 85 did everything out of Coosa board so its completely composite, except the removable floor behind the dog house. Thanks Phil |
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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I just love these boats so much its worth the time and money to me.I also don't have alot going on this winter.
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TRIP ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-08-2007 Location: Costa Rica Status: Offline Points: 629 |
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Interesting project! The other conversion was fantastic, it's been posted on probably every boating/boarding/skiing forum and everybody seems to absolutely love it. But with its classic look, it'd be a waste to put a tower on it. I've been wondering what an '85 or later 2001 V-drive wake-edition conversion would look like. So here we go...!
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SNobsessed ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: October-21-2007 Location: IA Status: Offline Points: 7102 |
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Ryan - It's your boat & if you want it custom, then go for it!
The V drive we saw on 2001.com turned out very nice; I like the lounge seating arrangement. Keep taking photos, this might just get us through the winter. Will you be replacing the stringers? Maybe you want to double them up at the stern for the increased load back there. |
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form&function ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: August-21-2009 Location: OK Status: Offline Points: 342 |
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pretty well got the interior stripped except for the stubborn carpet,
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