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JoeinNY
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Like I said plenty of reasons to use poly if you want, the analogy given however wasn't in support of poly it was against the use of epoxy as a patch on polyester and it is wrong, not looking for an arguement I just don't want people to pick up incorrect information. |
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Hollywood
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eric, I'm gonna throw the first chunk of wet foam out of our 88 at your head. Sure hope I don't mess up that pretty face of yours!
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WakeSlayer
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I spent part of the last two nights ripping the foam out of the 68SN.
I will not re-foam a boat, I will not re-foam a boat, I will not re-foam a boat. I swear I may have found the H1N1 vaccine in there. And some new bio warfare agents. I bet there is 500+ lbs when done. |
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Mike N
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BuffaloBFN
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Here's something to throw in the salad bowl...
It's only been a year, but it does sit in the water. Note the daylight under the platform. |
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TRBenj
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Greg, any comment on the height of our platform? We've got a squishy floor with presumably the soaked foam underneath to match. The hydraulic lift sure struggled to lift the boat as well, which hoists our our 2600lb 196 just fine- so I think its heavy.
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Riley
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Mike, as this is your second boat that you've torn the foam out of, have you added any new tools to the job? I used a cold chissel and a garden shovel on the Mustang. I'm thinking for the next one I'm going to a masonary store for some new tools. |
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WakeSlayer
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Regular old flat bar, and then the ten-in-one tool for the tighter stuff. And better beer.
I got the port side done and started starboard. Five bags 35-40lbs each. I cannot wait to see how much water is standing in the bow. |
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Mike N
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Riley
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Is the floor fiberglass over foam?
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WakeSlayer
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Bruce,
It was, yes. And a lovely treated ply floor half nailed and half screwed down over that. The foam is a LOT wetter than the Mustang was. |
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Mike N
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BuffaloBFN
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Yea, do you need a boost to get up there? |
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TRBenj
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Ha, maybe! I wonder if our soaked structure is primarily located towads the front? Just seems like the platform sits pretty high for a wet boat. |
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8122pbrainard
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Epoxy resin = superior strength, bonding and most important it's not hydroscopic.
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C-Bass
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After doing some crude math...an extra 500lbs of weight (call it wet foam) will only drop the hull into the water an additional 1 inch. That is assuming a fairly even distribution. I think it would take extremely soaked foam to get an additional 500lbs, so you're probably talking less than 1 inch in most cases. |
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TRBenj
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Having not run the numbers, I wont disagree- but ask Greg how much differently his boat sits in the water now after he removed all his water soaked foam. |
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kapla
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our local boat industry still uses poly resin to build boat..
some sail boat though are starting to use epoxy but not enough to make high volume in order to lower the prices ..thats why its so difficult and expensive to get and work with epoxy down here.... also labour is not used to work with epoxy and its sometime low curing process... the guy that did my boat told me all of this also the epoxy is not as liquid as the poly thus making the work a little harder to wet the cloth... anyway he was impressed on the bonding and strength the product had.... |
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kapla
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as for the floating line I will soon know the difference...my boat used to float with the platform base in the water (with some gear and 200 lbs of dumbells in the back seat). I will set the same config to make good comparisson...
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62 wood
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OK Eric... its your turn... hey, gotta ask...are you lucky guys just getting into spring/ summer? |
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C-Bass
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Yeah I'm sure it sits better. Did Greg refoam?(too lazy to check the old thread) If he didn't that's getting rid of quite a bit of weight in the (dry) foam itself.
Also, I'm sure the weight of the wet foam tends to sit more rearward, affecting the platform height a bit more. As for Steve's comment.... |
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kapla
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Craig yes the pumpking was refoamed....
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TRBenj
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Well our '79 is surely soaked as well- and check out how the platform sits (above). Just an interesting tidbit... I dont have an explanation. Like Kap said, Greg refoamed (dont get him started!). That boat was rebuilt like a tank- I wouldnt say that its lighter than stock. |
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lfskizzer
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This is how my ski sits now, i cant remember what it was like before.
I am pretty sure I couldnt see the brackets before under the platform. But I know Tim's and Gregs were Barfoot's Nautiques and not the Ski Nautique Hull's. |
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lewy2001
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Kapla you will need some extra crew members this year to make up for all the wet foam removed.
We will needs lots of pictures to confirm ride height. P.S. Make sure they are taken on a sunny warm day |
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BuffaloBFN
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It's a world different and handles that much better too. My platform was almost touching the water with the boat empty before.
I bet it's close; there aren't any globs of resin now. And I agree with Lewy! |
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form&function
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Put in a two by ten bulkhead then got to work on the gell
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form&function
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Whats the deal with all this prop clearance?I bet I could get a fourteen on it no problem.For reference the blade is a 13 measuring 12.75
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WakeSlayer
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You cannot have it too close or you will get prop rash on your gel.
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Mike N
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Riley
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F&F, how do you get all those pieces of wood to fit so well and also be level for the floor?
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Pgaboeing
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Ryan, Nice work.. I have been following the thread and can you tell me how you flipped the boat over? I am getting ready to do the same.
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form&function
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I thought 5/8 inch was all that was needed? |
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form&function
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I cut the wood a little large and shaved with a grinder till it fit.from the looks of the original floor I don't know how much it matters. |
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