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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Originally posted by FrankT FrankT wrote:

In regards to foam removal, what worked best for me was my 14 year old son with a heavy claw hammer. Only cost me a couple of Monster drinks.

Really, a claw hammer worked well. Chipped it out in small pieces and then through them over the side of the boat into a garbage can. When this was done I took a sharp chisel an scraped it off of the bottom and stringers.

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Since I did not have the benefit of expendable labor I went for the biggest chunks with the least amount of effort. I had lots of little chunks too but I only have about 3 hours tops in foam removal at this point. The bulkhead looks like it will take about another half that.

I am thinking a brass brush on the end of a drill will work nicely to remove all the tiny pieces stuck to the sides.

Having done it both ways, I can tell you that the large chunks is much easier. Ill let you know in 20 years when my son is 14 if I have changed my mind!

Keegan, DO NOT throw away that steering wheel! The cracks can be repaired with epoxy. Put a new coat of paint on it and it will look as good as new. Finding an original wheel is a huge PITA- be thankful you have yours!
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The brush in a drill works well for getting the dregs of the foam off the hull. However, it does make a heck of a mess. I had more issue with foam dust getting in my eyes than I did with the fiberglass dust. BKH
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Originally posted by bkhallpass bkhallpass wrote:

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you asking if you had to pull the wheel to get the column unit out. I thought you were trying to pull the wheel to fix cracks. Oh well, next time. BKH


Well somebody mentioned removing the steering wheel to make it easier to work in the confined area. I thought great! I need more room and the entire assembly needs to be cleaned, painted ant rebuilt anyway. Pulling the wheel to fix cracks was secondary to the issue at hand which was how to get the bloody thing out. It was a puzzle but now its out and I can move on with the stringer job.

I think the plastic has a lifetime and that lifetime is probably nearing its end. How about making a mold for it so it can be recast. I bet the core of that wheel is steel and you could re-use the metal on the new one. Half original!
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Originally posted by FrankT FrankT wrote:

In regards to foam removal, what worked best for me was my 14 year old son with a heavy claw hammer. Only cost me a couple of Monster drinks.

Really, a claw hammer worked well. Chipped it out in small pieces and then through them over the side of the boat into a garbage can. When this was done I took a sharp chisel an scraped it off of the bottom and stringers.

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Since I did not have the benefit of expendable labor I went for the biggest chunks with the least amount of effort. I had lots of little chunks too but I only have about 3 hours tops in foam removal at this point. The bulkhead looks like it will take about another half that.

I am thinking a brass brush on the end of a drill will work nicely to remove all the tiny pieces stuck to the sides.
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In regards to foam removal, what worked best for me was my 14 year old son with a heavy claw hammer. Only cost me a couple of Monster drinks.

Really, a claw hammer worked well. Chipped it out in small pieces and then through them over the side of the boat into a garbage can. When this was done I took a sharp chisel an scraped it off of the bottom and stringers.

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Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you asking if you had to pull the wheel to get the column unit out. I thought you were trying to pull the wheel to fix cracks. Oh well, next time. BKH
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    I almost wish I could do them both at the same time... no pun intended


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Looks good Keegan, I found a bar like this to work the best...



Granted...your almost done, but when you start on that CC down the street you'll be better off!


That looks like it would be better, and that Mustang down the street has got my name on it. I almost wish I could do them both at the same time... no pun intended
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Here is the steering assembly all out. I will have to give a lesson on that thing later. What a puzzle. Long story short- I did not have to pull the wheel to get it out. Everything needs to be painted anyway.
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Looks good Keegan, I found a bar like this to work the best...



Granted...your almost done, but when you start on that CC down the street you'll be better off!
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Another view of today's progress
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How Did I get that foam out so Nice?


My weapons of choice were the sawzall to cut around the perimeter of each cavity making sure to get all the way down to the hull. I knew I was in the right place when the blade tip would just bounce off the hull. Then I took this wrecking bar and dug strait down to the hull with a wiggling motion that seemed to further loosen the foam from the walls and then I would push the bar up under and forward as far as I could and pry it up. Presto. That was so much more fun than cutting out the airbox!
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This is about how I left it today.
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Came out clean. I had the shop vac in one hand and the grinder in the other. Tried as best I could to suck the dust up as it came off the wheel. Had to do a bit of hacking around the vent hoses, then with a little muscle with the pry bar and the glass finally came up. What a chore! Oh and look- No Steering Wheel!!!
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This was me today. I got about 2 and a half hours out there. Kids were all home for a snow day so I got all suited up to cut out the air box and dig the rest of the foam out from the bulkhead back.
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Or could these be the tap holes behind the wheel?


Keegan,
Good eyes!!! Looks like you found them and the tapped holes are in the metal hub!

The marks on the hub are from a PO trying to "seat" the hub onto it's taper. Probably loosened up at one time. The hub being the die casting, it's relatively soft and could be easily misshapened. When you put the wheel back on, find a large flat washer to go under the nut so the nut can push the wheel farther back on it's taper. No hammers!! The washers ID needs to be bigger than the tapered steel shaft.

Try to see if you can get some epoxy down into the cracks at the hub. It may or may not work as some plastics don't like to be glued. Won't hurt and may stop the cracks from going farther. The hammer blows from the PO (or "mechanic") could have done the damage!!


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Or could these be the tap holes behind the wheel?
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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

Try a hammer and a brass punch.    Put the nut back on flush.
Two or three smacks and you'll have it off, without destroying a vintage wheel with a bunch of holes.



Al!!! The holes for pulling would be hidden under the metal trim. Hammer and brass punch? The plastic is so brittle now, did you notice it's already cracked at the hub!


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Somebody has done some prying with something in the past. Check out the circular marks in this close up. I don't think I will be drilling any holes into anything. This wheel is brittle enough.

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Try a hammer and a brass punch.    Put the nut back on flush.
Two or three smacks and you'll have it off, without destroying a vintage wheel with a bunch of holes.

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Keegan,
It's odd that that wheel doesn't have any tapped holes to attach the puller to!! If it was mine, I would not go and use a arm type puller on the plastic hub. That would be a good way to break it! I'd drill and tap 3 holes (120 degrees apart) into the metal hub. Looks like a zinc die cast hub so tapping wouldn't be that hard. Do tap deep so you get as much thread engagement on the screws as possible. The die casting isn't the strongest thing around ether!! 1/4"-20's should do it. Keep the holes fairly close to the edge to avoid the steel tapered shaft.


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It was not dumping down snow today and actually got nice and sunny, so I got out there and solved the mystery of the steering wheel... Almost. Here is a pic for anybody needing to take apart their steering wheel. The "wood" under the chrome is actually some sort of vinyl. Surprised it still looks so good! Still confused about the puller and how that works.
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Thanks Tim Its funny but sometimes it is easier to see things in the pictures. After re-reading your last post I was pretty sure that what you have pictured above was the deal. Thanks for making it stupid proof for me. AGAIN!
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Thanks for helping me try to solve this but there is no center cap. All that chrome is one solid piece.


I promise that this center cap is removable.

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I wish I could get out there and lay this steering wheel thing to rest but we woke up to 6 inches of snow and a sick 2 year old. Brought my teak platform in and started oiling it. This afternoon I will start cleaning all the hardware that came off the boat. Thats about all I can do, but it has to be done sometime...
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Just a little tip for when you do get the cap off and get to the nut: don't remove the nut completely, keep it threaded onto the end of the shaft when you use the puller. This does two things; keeps the wheel from flying off and prevents the end of the shaft from mushrooming under the tension of the puller.

I learned that trick the hard way.
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Now that I am looking at this picture I can see that. Now the snow is pouring down so I will have to wait a few days to find out.
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Keegan,
Tim's talking about the very center round cap in the middle and not any metal next to the plastic.


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Thanks for helping me try to solve this but there is no center cap. All that chrome is one solid piece. Tim was right, the plastic is very brittle and there is no prying against it. I tried and made a tiny crack. It almost looks like there is a place to put a screwdriver in the picture below but that is just the reflection of the oval with the wood inside. Trust me its all one piece.



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