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It was not dumping down snow today and actually got nice and sunny, so I got out there and solved the mystery of the steering wheel... Almost. Here is a pic for anybody needing to take apart their steering wheel. The "wood" under the chrome is actually some sort of vinyl. Surprised it still looks so good! Still confused about the puller and how that works.
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It's odd that that wheel doesn't have any tapped holes to attach the puller to!! If it was mine, I would not go and use a arm type puller on the plastic hub. That would be a good way to break it! I'd drill and tap 3 holes (120 degrees apart) into the metal hub. Looks like a zinc die cast hub so tapping wouldn't be that hard. Do tap deep so you get as much thread engagement on the screws as possible. The die casting isn't the strongest thing around ether!! 1/4"-20's should do it. Keep the holes fairly close to the edge to avoid the steel tapered shaft.


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Try a hammer and a brass punch.    Put the nut back on flush.
Two or three smacks and you'll have it off, without destroying a vintage wheel with a bunch of holes.

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Somebody has done some prying with something in the past. Check out the circular marks in this close up. I don't think I will be drilling any holes into anything. This wheel is brittle enough.

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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

Try a hammer and a brass punch.    Put the nut back on flush.
Two or three smacks and you'll have it off, without destroying a vintage wheel with a bunch of holes.



Al!!! The holes for pulling would be hidden under the metal trim. Hammer and brass punch? The plastic is so brittle now, did you notice it's already cracked at the hub!


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Or could these be the tap holes behind the wheel?
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Or could these be the tap holes behind the wheel?


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Good eyes!!! Looks like you found them and the tapped holes are in the metal hub!

The marks on the hub are from a PO trying to "seat" the hub onto it's taper. Probably loosened up at one time. The hub being the die casting, it's relatively soft and could be easily misshapened. When you put the wheel back on, find a large flat washer to go under the nut so the nut can push the wheel farther back on it's taper. No hammers!! The washers ID needs to be bigger than the tapered steel shaft.

Try to see if you can get some epoxy down into the cracks at the hub. It may or may not work as some plastics don't like to be glued. Won't hurt and may stop the cracks from going farther. The hammer blows from the PO (or "mechanic") could have done the damage!!


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This was me today. I got about 2 and a half hours out there. Kids were all home for a snow day so I got all suited up to cut out the air box and dig the rest of the foam out from the bulkhead back.
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Came out clean. I had the shop vac in one hand and the grinder in the other. Tried as best I could to suck the dust up as it came off the wheel. Had to do a bit of hacking around the vent hoses, then with a little muscle with the pry bar and the glass finally came up. What a chore! Oh and look- No Steering Wheel!!!
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This is about how I left it today.
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How Did I get that foam out so Nice?


My weapons of choice were the sawzall to cut around the perimeter of each cavity making sure to get all the way down to the hull. I knew I was in the right place when the blade tip would just bounce off the hull. Then I took this wrecking bar and dug strait down to the hull with a wiggling motion that seemed to further loosen the foam from the walls and then I would push the bar up under and forward as far as I could and pry it up. Presto. That was so much more fun than cutting out the airbox!
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Another view of today's progress
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Looks good Keegan, I found a bar like this to work the best...



Granted...your almost done, but when you start on that CC down the street you'll be better off!
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Here is the steering assembly all out. I will have to give a lesson on that thing later. What a puzzle. Long story short- I did not have to pull the wheel to get it out. Everything needs to be painted anyway.
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Looks good Keegan, I found a bar like this to work the best...



Granted...your almost done, but when you start on that CC down the street you'll be better off!


That looks like it would be better, and that Mustang down the street has got my name on it. I almost wish I could do them both at the same time... no pun intended
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    I almost wish I could do them both at the same time... no pun intended


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Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you asking if you had to pull the wheel to get the column unit out. I thought you were trying to pull the wheel to fix cracks. Oh well, next time. BKH
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In regards to foam removal, what worked best for me was my 14 year old son with a heavy claw hammer. Only cost me a couple of Monster drinks.

Really, a claw hammer worked well. Chipped it out in small pieces and then through them over the side of the boat into a garbage can. When this was done I took a sharp chisel an scraped it off of the bottom and stringers.

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Originally posted by FrankT FrankT wrote:

In regards to foam removal, what worked best for me was my 14 year old son with a heavy claw hammer. Only cost me a couple of Monster drinks.

Really, a claw hammer worked well. Chipped it out in small pieces and then through them over the side of the boat into a garbage can. When this was done I took a sharp chisel an scraped it off of the bottom and stringers.

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Since I did not have the benefit of expendable labor I went for the biggest chunks with the least amount of effort. I had lots of little chunks too but I only have about 3 hours tops in foam removal at this point. The bulkhead looks like it will take about another half that.

I am thinking a brass brush on the end of a drill will work nicely to remove all the tiny pieces stuck to the sides.
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Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you asking if you had to pull the wheel to get the column unit out. I thought you were trying to pull the wheel to fix cracks. Oh well, next time. BKH


Well somebody mentioned removing the steering wheel to make it easier to work in the confined area. I thought great! I need more room and the entire assembly needs to be cleaned, painted ant rebuilt anyway. Pulling the wheel to fix cracks was secondary to the issue at hand which was how to get the bloody thing out. It was a puzzle but now its out and I can move on with the stringer job.

I think the plastic has a lifetime and that lifetime is probably nearing its end. How about making a mold for it so it can be recast. I bet the core of that wheel is steel and you could re-use the metal on the new one. Half original!
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The brush in a drill works well for getting the dregs of the foam off the hull. However, it does make a heck of a mess. I had more issue with foam dust getting in my eyes than I did with the fiberglass dust. BKH
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Originally posted by FrankT FrankT wrote:

In regards to foam removal, what worked best for me was my 14 year old son with a heavy claw hammer. Only cost me a couple of Monster drinks.

Really, a claw hammer worked well. Chipped it out in small pieces and then through them over the side of the boat into a garbage can. When this was done I took a sharp chisel an scraped it off of the bottom and stringers.

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Since I did not have the benefit of expendable labor I went for the biggest chunks with the least amount of effort. I had lots of little chunks too but I only have about 3 hours tops in foam removal at this point. The bulkhead looks like it will take about another half that.

I am thinking a brass brush on the end of a drill will work nicely to remove all the tiny pieces stuck to the sides.

Having done it both ways, I can tell you that the large chunks is much easier. Ill let you know in 20 years when my son is 14 if I have changed my mind!

Keegan, DO NOT throw away that steering wheel! The cracks can be repaired with epoxy. Put a new coat of paint on it and it will look as good as new. Finding an original wheel is a huge PITA- be thankful you have yours!
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I did a snoopy dance every time I got a chunk half that size out. Flat bar, 10 in 1 paint scraper tool, and a BFH....
Teenage labor did not even come into play. My kids laughed at me. However, my daughter is an exceptional boat detailer.
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Tim- I was never considering replacing my steering wheel. It is really cool and is structurally sound. Those cracks are tiny and none of them go all the way through. I was mentioning making a mold from it so that if the big break ever happens I would be ready to make an identical replica.(By the way I have no idea how to do this but it sounds cool!)

Do you use the same epoxy for repairing the stringers? What kind of paint will stick to that old plastic? I assume it would need to be roughed up to create some tooth for adhesion. A thorough cleaning and bleaching would probably make it look new too. Any thoughts out there guys?
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Keegan,
Try a "cleaner" type wax on the wheel. 3M marine "cleaner wax" comes to mind. It has some abrasive in it so it may clean it up pretty well. Befor you do put the wax on it, do try to get the epoxy in the cracks like Tim and I suggested. Force it into the cracks with a piece of rubber like a small squeegee.


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Try a "cleaner" type wax on the wheel. 3M marine "cleaner wax" comes to mind. It has some abrasive in it so it may clean it up pretty well. Befor you do put the wax on it, do try to get the epoxy in the cracks like Tim and I suggested. Force it into the cracks with a piece of rubber like a small squeegee.


Do I use the same type of epoxy as on the stringer layup? CPES to really soak down in there? They are tiny tiny cracks. Gosh and I think of all the times we have used the wheel to pull ourselves up and really put a lot of pressure on it. Will not be doing that anymore. It must have a steel core.
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You can use the same epoxy for the wheel but unless you need to mix a batch for something else, I think you'd end up mixing more than needed. Go and get one of the Devcon or similar double syringe epoxys at the hardware. They are nice because you only need to mix as much as is needed. Go for the longest cure time you can find. The longer the cure is the stronger the epoxy! Don't CPES it because it's really not a decent adhesive and it's really more of a sealer. Try to force the Devcon into the cracks. You'll be able to tell the crack is full when the epoxy comes out another area of the crack you're not working on.


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Use google and do a search on "steering wheel repair" and you will find some nice Youtube videos on filling the cracks.

Here is an example:
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Not necessary to use KBS just an example of process.
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That was a helpful video and now I know that just about any break that could happen to this wheel can probably be repaired really well. My problem is not nearly that bad so I am going to focus on a little polish and maybe a spin with the buffer for now.

Rainy today. Booooooooooo! Tomorrow High of 44 and sunny so I am on it! Have almost got my platform to a completely saturated beautiful teak oil shine after sanding it down to remove PO's slack polyurethane job.

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After maybe 8 applications over 3 days it has been 2 days since the last application.

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