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Originally posted by Cslaten33 Cslaten33 wrote:

Where can I find a later 70's hood scoop?


Clark,
You're asking for a "later 70's" hood scoop? Do you mean the wider flatter version used on 77's and 78's that were upholstered? Your 74 has the taller narrower one. Ether way, both were to my knowledge made by CC and the mold is long gone. Your best bet is to post in the "parts wanted" section and see if something turns up. Many have resorted to pulling their own mold off a good vent and then laying up new ones.

Why do you want to change the one you have?


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I will be pulling my 78 off to re-upholster, I could pop a one off from it.
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Do you have a picture of the scoop you are trying to match? I have a mold for the rear scoop but have not had the time to make any yet. Is what you have usable to make a mold from?

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Originally posted by FrankT FrankT wrote:

Do you have a picture of the scoop you are trying to match? I have a mold for the rear scoop but have not had the time to make any yet. Is what you have usable to make a mold from?

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Frank,
Here's Clarks picture he posted in this thread showing his scoop. Looks fine to me but it sounds like he want's the 77-78 that's wider and flater!



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Yes I am wanting the wider and flatter scoop. The scoop on my boat looks as if someone stepped on it at one time. There is a pretty good crack in the front. Nothing a little fiberglass cant fix. I think the 77-78 scoop loks alot better.
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I thought Woody was working on making one of these available about a year ago. Not sure if it the style you have or the one you want.
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Yeah If anyone wanted to make one and send it to me. Just call me up and let me know how much money you need. 918-629-8104

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote storm34 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February-02-2010 at 7:21pm
Won't you have to drill new holes and fill the old ones to make this conversion?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Keeganino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February-02-2010 at 7:35pm
Is Clark's 74 SN hood scoop the same as a 73 skier scoop? If so I will take it off your hands if you get that replacement you want.
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Yes I think it is the same hood as the 73 skier. I would ask Pete Brainard. He seems to know everything about theses boats.

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Like I said it is not in great shape but with a little glass work you would bring it back to life...
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Yes its the same. Are you swapping out the rear scoops to match the front as well? I crushed one of my rear ones, so if youre switching those too, please let me know!
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Yes I would like to... Do you know anyone that has the fronts and rears to a 77-78?
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Really all I need is a rear one too, but could not hurt to have an extra front one. If you find the ones you want maybe you, Tim and I could meet for lunch one day in a central location like... Nashville and have a scoop swap.
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Well if you guys can round up the front and rears for a 77 or 78 I will send you guys my front and rear scoops.
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How many layers of cloth fiber do I need to use for my stringer repair?
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Originally posted by Cslaten33 Cslaten33 wrote:

How many layers of cloth fiber do I need to use for my stringer repair?


Clark,
I again suggest using the search and the great resources of the site. Sit down and do some reading. Fantastic threads on the complete process. Since using the seach feature can be a problem for some, here's some help. I'm going to cheat and link to another threat. Keegan has recently posted links in this thread after he researched for his stringer project. Thanks Keegan!!


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Clark,

Pete steered you in the right direction. Read through those threads to get some ideas. I read through those and also hit a couple other forums when putting together my plans. I've mimiced a lot of what I saw done on other Supras. I think you'll benefit more from mimicing what you see on here.

I kind of like the idea of tape across the bottom at an angle...several layers, then one layer of biaxial or a couple of cloth to encapsulate the entire stringer. Seems like that could be a bit easier than the method I'm using.
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Originally posted by Okie Boarder Okie Boarder wrote:

I kind of like the idea of tape across the bottom at an angle...several layers, then one layer of biaxial or a couple of cloth to encapsulate the entire stringer. Seems like that could be a bit easier than the method I'm using.

This was an interesting idea, but I dont think its better or stronger than laying the tape in the same direction of the stringer. Fewer cuts in the fabric should lead to a stronger layup. It will also be a lot more labor intensive with all those short pieces laid on an angle. If there was a reason to orient the fibers at 45 degrees, then this method would be great- but it seems to me you primarily want the strength in the up/down and fore/aft directions. If you were to lay the biax tape last, that has a layer of cloth in it with the weave at 45 degrees, and the mat layer gives strength in all directions- so that rounds out the buildup nicely.
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I can't imagine doing all those short pieces at 45's when all you should have to do is roll the tape out to length. Looks like a pita to me. While my stringers are rotten to the point of mush in some places there are not any spots that the stringer separated from the hull.   Whatever they did to adhere the stringer to the hull seemed to work just fine. It was the cracks on top that seemed to do them in. That is why I am going to radius my new stringers, and cap them off with the biaxial.
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So about three to four layers at the bottom and a couple of layers over the top. Thanks guys. I will get back with some pictures when Oklahoma gets some decent weather.
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Hey I just ordered several things from us composites. Roughly how long does it take for them to come in?
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I believe that laying the biaxial on an angle would be much stronger as the load, both perpendicular and parallel to the stringers, will be transferred to two pieces of strand in lieu of just one. I don't now if I am going to do it though as it is a lot of extra work. I am thinking about two 3" pieces offset about an inch with one 6" cover.

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Originally posted by FrankT FrankT wrote:

I believe that laying the biaxial on an angle would be much stronger as the load, both perpendicular and parallel to the stringers, will be transferred to two pieces of strand in lieu of just one. I don't now if I am going to do it though as it is a lot of extra work. I am thinking about two 3" pieces offset about an inch with one 6" cover.

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From my understanding biaxial is already strong in all directions given the variety of materials sandwiched together. That is why it is used. Cutting it into smaller pieces so that the load bears on 2 pieces instead of 1 may actually give you less strength than one continuous piece.
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Clark,

Most of my orders have shown up in a week from the day I ordered. You can use that as a good rule of thumb. I've usually ordered mid week...haven't tried ordering on a Monday and see if it shows up Friday yet.
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I orders Friday to see if I could get it by Friday.
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How much was your order? What did you get? Almost ready to order myself. Halfway there already.
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