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Is there a cross drilled hole in both the pylon pin as well as the cup at the keel? I can't make it out in the picture. If so, it's for a bolt to retain the pylon. Then, there would have been a 2x8 cross member under the floor with a hole it it and the floor for the pylon. Later pylons didn't have the cross drilled holes for the bolt but they had a square plate welded to the pylon that bolted to the floor. This plate held the pylon in.

Nothing wrong with the original design as long as the wood isn't rotten!


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I was ready to get out there today and get going. I have my tyvek suits, new respirator cartridges, it was not raining or freezing(but close) and a plan of attack. With all of today's activities I only got one hour to set up, work and break down. Better than 0 hours I thought so I got out there and removed my very first stringer! Starboard secondary. It was rotted all to hell and will not be usable for a template. Bummer! But I already knew that.

Here is a funny story. I blew the fuse on the circuit I was using running the shop vac, grinder and a space heater that was on inside. So I go and turn off the heater, flip the breaker and remember that I did not turn the grinder off. So I run out there to find that the spindle lock had engaged when I set it down and the grinder is smoking like a freight train. I let it cool down and then went right back to work with it. Right as I got to the end of the stringer the grinder died on me. Bought it at harbor freight so I can just go get another one, but they come with an extra set of brushes. I put those in and it runs like a champ again!

Not bad for an hours work considering the interruption!
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Didn't someone get bit in the leg leaving the grinder on a couple years ago?
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Hasbeenskier gashed his leg with a grinder. Can't recall how it happened. Seem to remember conversation about ruining a brand new set of jeans. BKH
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After a few days off for weather and schedules I finally got a few hours in this afternoon. I was hoping to get all the stringers removed from the starboard but once I got into that foam in the bow it was foam chunkin madness. I did get the front half of the main stringer out and all the freaking foam in the bow. It must have been 2 feet deep! The foam around the stringers was fun to pull up, but lying up under the dash with a sawzall, prybar and claw hammer for an hour was no cold beer!

Before I started today


After removing the air hoses and bulkhead


At the end of the night. I was out of contractor bags so I was done right here!


This is the main stringer under the engine mount. Very wet!


Inspired by WakeSlayers pic. Not too many red gelcoat CC's out there.
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Few more hours today. Got all the starboard stringers out. I was excited and feel like I have reached a milestone in my project. No doubt I will be able to remove the ports a lot faster. The sawzall blades I have tried so far have not worked well on the fiberglass. The ones I used today were Fast cut for wood and pvc. Any suggestions on which blades butter through fiberglass? The grinder with the diamond wheel has been the fastest at getting through the glass for me so far.

Here is where I started today. All the foam from last night had to be cleaned up before I got started.



This 73 skier has a different secondary layup than the later model 16's. Notice how thick the layup is.



This where the laminated secondaries will go. I have a lot of grinding to do to get that flat enough for the newer layout. From Monty Pythin's "How much grindin do you have to do?" "A lot!"



Here is how I left it this evening.

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I used a blade for metal in the sawzall. Seemed to work pretty well. BKH
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A fine toothed metal blade? I am thinking that the fine teeth must be the ticket. The diamond wheel has no teeth, just grooves. The fast cut I was using had big teeth and worked about as well as a plastic knife when it came to those thick parts.
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The big DIY stores carry demolition and rescue blades. Those will work well.
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Thanks I will look into those blades too.

I am back on the steering wheel problem. While I did get it off of the dash, I really need to get the whole thing apart now so that I can paint the assembly and I got some buffing wheels and compound to clean up the wheel.

We had a lot of discussion on what kind of puller to use to pop the wheel off of the tapered shaft. I thought I had a breakthrough in the pictures below thinking that the arrows were pointing to potential tap holes. There are 4 holes though, and from my understanding most of the pullers have 3. Is an arm puller looking like the only option?



This is what I have right now.



Here is the rear view



Another view of the front. Hard to see in this picture but the shaft is threaded on this end too.

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If there are no tap holes do I need to use a puller like this?



I am still confused by the shaft being threaded on top of the wheel. Maybe it unscrews somehow?
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Sorry to see the "tapped holes" turned out to be the socket head cap screws holding the shaft bearing housing onto the dash angle plate!

A small 3 arm puller may be able to fit back through the center and grab the hub but looks like the arms will then be pulling on the plasic portion of the wheel. Don't want to do that! I don't feel it's going to take much force to pull the wheel but I also don't want you to end up with a bunch of broken plastic?

Does it look like you could get the shaft out of the bearing housing and then end up with just the shaft and wheel? I'm thinking if the shaft will come out, it would give you a clear shot at the backside of the metal hub, a block of wood and light hammer blows.

If not, then it's back to the 3 arm but with some metal under the arms so you'll be pulling on the metal hub and not the plastic.


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I would just support the wheel from the backside, not sure the exact name of the part so I'll see if I can find a picture of it and post it. But support it then take a piece of brass or wood and place on the shaft and smack it. Use some PB blaster or WD40 and spray the keyway area and the shaft before hand and it should pop loose.

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Chris has got a good idea but I want to make sure you're supporting the metal hub. A couple pieces of flat bar under the wheel close to the shaft.

BTW, I know for fact that Kroil is by far superior to PB Blaster. I've used both. Kroil is only available on line so I ended up grabbing a can of the PB. Then ended up waiting for the Kroil to come in because the PB didn't work. I really don't feel I would have been able to get the 27 Universal apart without the Kroil.


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Thanks Chris and Pete. I would probably already have it off but having never seen it done and the fact that my wheel is like a sacred relic lol I am approaching with extreme caution. You have both helped me visualize the process- now lets see if I can realize it.

Pete the angle plate is just too big to slip through the bearing housing. It is kind of like one of those old timey toys were there are 2 pieces of metal connected and you have to try and figure out how to get them apart.

Looks like it is going to rain today so this will probably be the only thing boat-wise I have to work on today. Assuming I get it off(Setting you up there Hollywood) I was thinking about bleaching it in clorox and water mixed to the proper ratio before doing any buffing. Any reason not to do that? BTW I removed the vinyl wood decals using a hair dryer and the plastic underneath is porcelain white where it has been protected from the weather. It would be nice if I could get a few shades closer to that, but not expecting perfection.

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Pete that tool will support the backside of the wheel where ther is actually metal. Basicly take the halves apart slide it with the flat side up, one side will have counterbores on it the other doesn't. Place it between the wheel and the hub, now rest the seperator on top of an open vise or press if you have one with the hub and helm pieces hanging below the seperator. Have someone there to hold/catch the helm pieces and shaft for when it breakes free.

The seperator is a slip fit so to say, you just want to get it close to the shaft diameter but still allowing it to slide freely it's only to support the back of the wheel's hub where there is actually metel while your hitting the shaft. Just be sure it doesn't hit the floor and damage something.
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I can visualize that. Thanks
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Wow I made way too big a deal out of that! I just rested the edge of the dash plate on the edge of my work bench and tapped the shaft out with a small finishing hammer.
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I tryed to tell ya earlier. Hammer and brass punch,
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On the cracks.    Mix some epoxy with a little Aerosil. Fill.   Put it in a plastic bag.    Vacume all the air out (shop vac)


This is how I restored a Mahogany steering wheel for a 67 MGB.
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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

I tryed to tell ya earlier. Hammer and brass punch,


Yep would have worked fine. Live and learn. I did not fully understand how it was on there so I was leery of doing anything after so many ideas were presented.

This whole project is like that. After you have done it, none of it is that difficult. Except putting the new hoses on the exhaust. Can't wait till that day!
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I,ve got a trick for that too.
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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

I,ve got a trick for that too.


I am always open to tricks. Please do tell!
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I soaked the steering wheel in bleach water for about 2 hours. I am pretty happy with the results. Here is the worst crack on the hub. It goes all the way through.

Before Bleach                                                                           and After Bleach

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Pete that tool will support the backside of the wheel where ther is actually metal.


Chris,
I've pulled a few bearings with a bearing separator! Keegan being on a budget is why I suggested a couple pieces of flat bar to support the hub.

Keegan,
Glad you got it off. One time when something goes real easy. Usually it's the other way around!!!


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After you have done it, none of it is that difficult. Except putting the new hoses on the exhaust. Can't wait till that day!

Exhaust is easy too, just put some dishwashing liquid on the inside edge of the hose. Not much, just a film and they will slide right on.
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

After you have done it, none of it is that difficult. Except putting the new hoses on the exhaust. Can't wait till that day!

Exhaust is easy too, just put some dishwashing liquid on the inside edge of the hose. Not much, just a film and they will slide right on.

Its not the actual mating thats a PITA, its getting the corrugated hose lined up with the riser outlets! Definitely a 2-man job.
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Dish soap huh I was thinking KY jelly might be more appropriate for that big black pipe!

Calling around today for supplies to see if I can get any of my glass products locally. Have finally calculated the linear feet of tape needed for the stringers and floor.

A buddy gave me an 11 amp grinder yesterday! This thing is no joke. It has a variable speed from 1K to 3K RPMs, and I can probably stand on the thing while grinding it has so much torque. I have as much as an inch of buildup to remove in some places and don't want to spend all spring grinding it down. Back to harbor freight for sanding discs.
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Exhaust hose      1/3 of the way up, on the exposed.   Tie it back to the lift ring.    All that's left to muscle, is the pushing down to line-up.   Loosen the line to push on.

Also any hose connections below the waterline. "Double Clamp"
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