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TRBenj
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Remember that the $650 did not include foam or install, and the quote for $850 did. Both still seem to be on the high side for 2 buckets and a simple back seat, but what do I know... at least thats what Im hoping since Ill be doing the same thing in the spring!
I wouldnt put any embroidery on the seats- keep it simple (and original). We're putting all white/offwhite vinyl into our red/cream skier, maybe add some red piping- like this: |
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8122pbrainard
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bkhallpass
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Looking at that Gap on your main stringer, and with the understanding that you have a fairly good fit in the engine section, I wonder if your hull hasn't flexed. If the hull has pushed up in the engine section, it would lift the whole stringer and give you a gap. I don't know how you have the boat supported, but I'd give that a look before I started cutting, scabbing, etc. BKH
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FrankT
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I agree - add some wood. I don't know if you have access to a table saw but I might recommend that you rip a piece off of your drop and laminate it onto the bottom of your stringer with epoxy. Looks like you only need an inch or so. After you get it on try this. Measure the depth on your stringer still in the boat: And then transfer onto the news stringer out of the boat: We did the entire stringer this way 3 inches on center. The bar on the top was used to create a flat surface. Another was used when the depths where transfered. FrankT |
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Keeganino
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Lots of good ideas here thanks guys
BKH- I am sitting on the OEM trailer right now and am not blocked up yet. I can lift up on the rear and reduce the gap so thank you for bringing light to that subject. Tim, Pete- The seats are white with red piping and that is how mine came because of the color scheme. No pleats (corduroy, whatever its called) like the one Tim posted. Very simple and that is all I want, I only mentioned the embroidery work because it had to add to the cost and was included in the price. 2 quotes to go, but yes she will be all original with the exception of the heater pads I am having put in them. Will mount the switch under the seats. Frank- Great pictures of your stringer drawing process. That will help a lot of people. I have that same ruler and have had a hard time getting accurate measurements because my fillets are so inconsistent. They are huge and round in some places and non existent in others. I still have a few things to do on the screened in porch before I get to work on the boat again. So I should be shaping stringers by 3 o'clock tomorrow. You have never seen a porch built so fast. "Now it needs a doggy door". |
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Keeganino
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While seats are on topic. which is original? On the right the bottom of the seat comes off and 2 plywood bases are needed. On the left the foam is attached to the one plywood base and does not come off.
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TRBenj
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The one on the right is original. The bottom cushions are removable... I take mine off any time I trailer a significant distance- I dont want them blowing off on the interstate! I was going to comment that your heated seats would make this problematic. Heres a shot of the seats in my '71 (all original): |
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Keeganino
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I got lucky. The seat heaters have separate removable wiring harnesses so I can easily disconnect the bottom cushion from the controller unit. You guys think of everything! $100 for heated seats seems like a deal to me especially when they are compatible with the old school design.
Dropping the seats off in the morning for a second quote. My gut tells me this is my guy, so we'll see if I am right. He has done 2 boats for my neighbors and they still like him. |
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WakeSlayer
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That is funny. As good a reference as any, I suppose. You have seen the work then? |
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Keeganino
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I dropped the seats off at Chuck's Upholstery today. He had 6 boats there, and a bad ass Nova, all with interiors removed and in various stages of put back. I was impressed with his knowledge, and explanations of the process. Nice guy. I have seen his work and it is as good as any I have seen. As long as his price is in line, he is my guy. He even had samples of the vinyl flooring that are close to the original that my boat came with. When I mentioned it to him he flipped right to it in a sample swatch with about 100 samples bound together and said "like this?" I said "Holy S$%)t that is it!". He is going to price that for me as well. One of the boats he had there was a big Tige wakeboarding boat and the interior on that thing looked almost as bad as my 37 year old vinyl and it was only 10 years old. Here is a detail I noticed while we were looking at the cushions- the snaps on the bench back say "Water Bonnet" on them. So of course I say can we reuse those? (in my mind I am already at home with the polisher cleaning snaps) He said not really. I have not started looking yet but does anybody know if you can get those snaps new? Seems a silly detail, but the font is cool, and its the little details that really make a difference in a true restoration. |
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Keeganino
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Ordered my CPES and it will be here Monday. Rotdr gave me the best price b/c they ship East coast from South Carolina. They were $10 cheaper than Jamestown because of the cheaper shipping cost. Still came out to $190 for 2 gallons.
So lets see here Dfir- $240 CPES- $190 - Ouch!!!!! PPE- $70 Tools- $100 Heaters- $102 LED Trailer kit $88 =$790 spent so far Rough US composites list comes to $1029 without shipping, but may trim that because of a local hook up on at least the cloth. Still not sure if they sell epoxy resin. One $650 seat estimate, another for $850 and a third quote on the way. Then there is the mechanic and whatever I decide to do there. $790 $1029 +$850 =$2669 is what I am looking at right now and that does not include plywood or covering for the floor, or my mechanic's bill. I told my wife $2500 should do it- now I am having to re-evaluate that estimate. Looking more like $3K+. Other things I still need to get are new fuel line, and all new wiring, bilge pump and hose, 2 batteries, A/B battery switch, new blower fan, screws and hardware. The controller cables and steering cables have all been replaced over the past 3 years so they are going back in. I am not really surprised by the cost, but it is making me start to re-think a few things. A month ago I felt I was really moving along at a great pace. Now I am have the mid-job blues. It is raining all weekend here and has been for a few days. Makes it hard to work when you are doing the entire job outside. Once I start glassing in that first stringer I will feel like progress is being made again. |
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WakeSlayer
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Have you told her otherswise yet? Ssshhhhhh. If she busts you, send to the salon for a nice massage, pedicure, etc. She will forget. Emphasis on the "+" part of your $3k+ estimate. |
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Keeganino
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I like your style! Yeah I am going to be over $3k aren't I. The good thing is I can leave some things unfinished, like the dual battery. Just get the box built and wires run. Same with the engine. Get it painted next year. I need to repaint the waterline stripe before the platform goes back on because it is see through in some places. |
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TRBenj
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You mean youre going to pull the engine a second time, just so you can save $15 in spray paint? Id look elsewhere if you need to cut costs! A new interior would be nice, but that is very easy to do at a later date. Certain things just make sense to do while youre in there! |
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Keeganino
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Is it that cheap and easy to paint the engine? Hmmmm that is a no brainer then. The interior has to be redone because I only have 1 of the 3 original bench cushions, the bench back cushion is like a potato chip it is so brittle and both the buckets are wasted. We have been using cheap car seat covers over the buckets for the last 5 years and that worked fine, but I am set on the new cushions and covers. My wife ain't too cool with sitting on the floor. We will work it out with the funds and I still think I can get my glass order down a lot.
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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srbranum
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Pete,
My pylon has a hole in it and a matching hole in the female end mounted in the floor. The problem I had was there was no pin or bolt to keep the pylon from rotating. The pylon has a metal plate welded to it at the level of the floor with four holes on each corner. When you pulled somebody that weighed anything, the pole could and did rotate thus tearing up the wood the metal plate was bolted to. The pin would, in my opinion, eleminate all this. scott |
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I have to keep her running 'cause I can't afford a new one
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8122pbrainard
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Scott, Your no pinning at the keel socket and four hole plate at floor level bolted to the floor is factory 70's. Earlier pylons didn't have the plate to the floor and were pinned at the keel socket. There's nothing wrong with your set up as long as the floor and the extra wood under it is in good shape. What was under your floor and was the pylon even bolted to it? It was turning!! Picture time!! |
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Keeganino
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My CPES arrived today but I am not ready for it yet as I am still dry fitting. Talked to my glass hook up and it is only for the glass, so I will still have to order resin. This will still greatly reduce my cost.
Talked to the mechanic today about the engine. It ran great and I just told him to do a thorough inspection of the hoses, belts, etc and see if there is anything that needs attention. It is due for some maintenance and hope that is all. We discussed painting it. I wish I had a place here at home to keep the engine because I could clean and paint it myself, but it is at his shop. Maybe I will start bringing pieces home and painting them. No point in paying somebody else to do that when it is so easy. |
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Keeganino
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Running totals
Dfir- $240 CPES- $190 - Ouch!!!!! PPE- $70 Tools/Supplies $200 Heaters- $102 LED Trailer kit $88 Seats redone $830 Us Composites $680 Total- $2400 Still have to buy my cloth and mat from a local guy but he assured me he would be half what US composites cost and there will be no shipping. I also still have to get my plywood and flooring, figure out what I am going to have the mechanic do, new wiring, and I dropped off a few items to get chromed yesterday. We'll see how much the chroming costs. The only thing that has to be done right now are the exhaust tips. Tim had mentioned a place to buy the wires and make your own wiring harness and I can't find it. Any suggestions or ballpark prices for that? |
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WakeSlayer
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You forgot to include the cost of your wife's trip to the spa in your total.
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TRBenj
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I believe a new harness will run you about $200 in wire, shrink tube, plugs, sleeving, etc. I got my wire from mcmaster- they carry shrink tube and sleeving too... but if youre getting new battery cables, get the ancillary parts from Genuine Dealz. Theyve got great pricing on custom battery cables. The 8 pronged plugs are available from SkiDIM.
So the seats ended up being $830, eh? Thats a bit higher than I was hoping to hear. Were you able to reuse the snaps? Hopefully youre sitting down when you get a price on the chroming... I hear its not cheap! If theres any way to get cloth and biax (or mat) tape from your local guy, do it- cutting sheets of glass into strips is a huge PITA. |
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WakeSlayer
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I hear chrome is insanely expensive. I am just going to do everything I need to do in one shot next year.
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Mike N
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8122pbrainard
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The EPA has closed lots of the small plating shops that used to be arounf 20 years ago. Consequently you're usally stuck with shops with higher overheads. Re plating is really labor intensive. Lots of buffing by hand. Pitted zinc die casting are especially expensive because the pits need to be filled with layers and layers of plating with buffing in between. Watch out on the cost!! |
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Keeganino
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Mike- You are right! Need to add a couple hundred for the spa
Tim- I am not sure about the biaxial yet because conveniently he is out of town till Monday. I took a gamble and went ahead and ordered my resin and cab without knowing the details of what is offered by my glass guy. I was told he has it all but we'll see about that. May have to place another order with US if he can't deliver what I need. The seats- I did not have any reusable foam and that was an expensive line item, then you have the zippers, etc and my seats are white with red trim. As for the snaps I have not had any luck. I did some research and Water Bonnet used to make marine interiors, covers, biminis, etc and stopped making them in like 2003, and now focus mainly on marine winshields and have a minimum order of like 12 so they are not into retail at all. I was told the snaps are not reusable by my guy. The seat price includes me making and cpesing plywood bases for them too. That was a lot more than I was planning on too but the guy does nice work and quoted me $20 less than the last guy.(who I had to talk down $100 to $850 and did not specialize in marine interiors) Chrome- This was a crazy little chicken shack plating shop I went to. No work will be done till I get a quote. The guy was really old and hard to talk to with his thicker than tar Carolina accent. I left all of the parts there and am supposed to get a quote in a few days. They were buffing out an old bumper when I rolled up and had several on the shelf looking like new. After telling my buddy about the place he said that he had a jetski pipe nickel plated there and it was really nice. So that bring us to my question- For the exhaust would nickel plating be a bad thing to do to the exhaust tips if it turns out that they plate in nickel and not chrome? I was definitely having a hard time talking to the guy but he looked everything over and nodded his head like he knew what to do with them, grumbled something I could not understand and said to call back in a few days for a price. They are the only thing that really needs to be plated now. I can live with everything else as is but figured I would get a quote for all of it while I was there. I may just ride back out there tomorrow and probe a little deeper into what they plan to do cause you all have kind of got me nervous. Vinyl flooring. The samples my guy had looked and felt like the original material in my boat but he says it costs $39 a yard and is 72" wide and discontinued just recently but his guy has enough in stock right now for my boat!!! Nautolux from Garys upholstery looks just like it in the pictures but I have not felt it and it is only $19 a 72" wide yard. There are only about 10-11 linear feet that need to be covered and most of that is cut out for the bilge. To cut it so that there are no seems would require 4 yards. So my next question is- is that the way to do it even though most of the square footage is waste? SO many details- so little time. This month is flying by and I have not made much physical progress but am lining everything up so that when this freakin rain stops I can bust it out and not have to wait on materials. I still have a lot of work ahead of me! |
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79nautique
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seems a little high for the seats, it was around 1200 for all the skins and foam for mine.
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Keeganino
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You dont have much more vinyl than I do in a SN, just the doghouse. The $830 includes all new foam, skins and assembly with the heated seats. My doghouse is gelcoat. Not sure how $1200 for your was a better deal. If mine look as good as yours I will be very happy! Anybody have any comments on nickel plating as opposed to chrome on the exhaust tips if that is all I can get? Are new ones available anywhere? |
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TRBenj
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Keegan, Im assuming that price includes the rear seat with 3 separate bottom cushions? Or did you go 1-piece? For reference, the motorbox on the Tique was $500. The rest of the cushions were $500... but I one-pieced the rear bottom with thinner foam (I built a base to get it off the floor) and the front seats were much simpler than the round-back buckets. I built my own bases as well- my costs were for the vinyl, foam and install. I was still hoping to get our junk Skier done for somewhere in the $600-700 range... not sure if thats gonna happen or not.
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79nautique
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you'll be fine with nickel, I thought you where just talking two seats for the 850 so that's not to bad for everything.
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8122pbrainard
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Keegan, So, this "thicker than tar Carolina accent" plater can't do chrome! Sorry I missed he only does nickel. That really doesn't surprise me because it's the chrome that gets the EPA wound up due to cyanide and other nasty stuff in the process. Nickel is soft compared to chrome and will polish up but the shine won't last long. It's also more of a grayish color than chrome. In a good chrome job, nickle is actually the layer before chrome. Copper plate and buff, nickel plate and buff then chrome plate. |
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Keeganino
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Tim - I am having three cushions made for the rear bench to keep it original. I told the guy I wanted it exactly the way is was and he understood that meant the dense foam, zippers, the whole bit.
I did take one of the buckets apart last night which proved to be a real pita! The T nuts spun in place in the rotted wood and the bolts were rusted so bad that 2 of them I had to cut out with a hack saw. The fiberglass mold has some cracks that will need to be repaired, and I imagine the other one will be the same way. I will probably have 20 hours in the seats myself after I take them apart, cut and cpes the wood, clean and repair the glass, and buff the mounting hardware. Maybe even more. My wife says I thought we were getting brand new seats. I said "we are" so she says "well why are you reusing all that old stuff". Then I had to explain what NLA and restoration mean. She understood but still thinks I am crazy. I just keep reassuring her how bad ass it is going to be to take that 37 year old beauty out on the lake looking like it just came off the showroom floor. |
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