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    Posted: February-14-2010 at 8:07pm
Hey Guys,

Just purchased my first boat; a 1978 Correct Craft Martinique with the 255hp Ford motor.

I'm going to run it as-is this season, and address the issues next winter.

My biggest concern is the stringers. Quite honestly, I don't feel comfortable replacing the stringers myself. I am comfortable with floor removal, foam removal, engine removal, etc, just not the stringers themselves; I feel as if thats over my head, and I really don't want the hassle.

I found a professional shop here in Little Rock that will replace the stringers (mains and secondaries) for $750. I will deliver the boat to him with the hull gutted, except for stringers. This gentleman has a reputation for doing good, honest work, and I feel comfortable having him do the work.

What I was wondering was if you guys feel like $750 is fair for labor and materials on a stringer replacement. I will then decide rebuild the floor from there.

Also, what other Correct Craft models have similar design characteristics as my Martinique?

Thanks guys!

Jeff

P.S. When rebuilding the floor, what is the general feeling about using, or not using foam again?
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Originally posted by Buck4U Buck4U wrote:



I found a professional shop here in Little Rock that will replace the stringers (mains and secondaries) for $750. I will deliver the boat to him with the hull gutted, except for stringers. This gentleman has a reputation for doing good, honest work, and I feel comfortable having him do the work.

What I was wondering was if you guys feel like $750 is fair for labor and materials on a stringer replacement. I will then decide rebuild the floor from there.


P.S. When rebuilding the floor, what is the general feeling about using, or not using foam again?


Jeff,
Get a detailed list of exactly what materials they will be using and what they will be doing. That's dirt cheap and most here will pay more for just there glass and epoxy. Hate to tell you but my first reaction is he's going to do a half a$$ job!!

Have you read any of the stringer replacement threads? People with absolutely no glassing skills have undertaken the job. Basic carpentry.

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If I can do it you can do it. I have no previous experience and have found that the stringers in these boats are not exactly precision built. Pete is right nobody could do that job for $750. If he could he would have a line of CC's to rebuild for miles from this site alone. I know I would drive to Arkansas to have somebody replace my stringers for that. Mine is half gutted right now. Its doable.
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I think that the Douglas Fir, Glass and Epoxy for my Barracuda was clost to $1200. Not sure how you can do a Stringer job for $750 for Materials and Labor.
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Just say no foam
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I am over $1300 in materials and ran out of gloo. And I don't pay myself. Easily will be 120 hours in the just the stringers and incidentals.
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Yeah, I guess I misrespresented the price.
That was the price for labor. He said the wood and glass materials would add substantially to the cost. My bad, 'twas a long day and forgot to be more precise.

I've saved and printed almost every thread on stringer repair I could find here, and have been reviewing it carefully. I'm defeinitely going with wood as a replacement, and I'm pretty sure after talking to a couple boat shops today that I won't be adding foam.

I get that with the right amount of patience, I could probably handle the stringer job. I'm looking at this from and opportunity cost vs benefit perspective. I could pay someone who knows what they are doing to replace the stringers and not have to worry about any mistake. Meanwhile, I could be utilizing skills I already possess giving the engine a complete reconditioning and rebuild.

Who knows. Money is alright right now, but I'm not the type to predict how things will be a year from now. Maybe I'll wind up doing it myself anyway.

My main objective here is to put a decent amount of money into this project, and get a decent boat in return. I can handle the engine, paint, most of the upholstery, and even some light glassing, I would just rather someone with experience replacing the stringers so I know its done right. I feel like its worth the money.

Question: I understand that there is a layer of glass over the stringers and foam. When rebuilding, the foam won't be there to offer its support. Would you just glass over the stringers, or add lateral supports?
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When you go with no foam you use a plywood floor, so some lateral supports are necessary to make up for the lack of foam.

I think it is hard to find somebody to do the stringer job who really knows what they are doing. You said you found a trustworthy guy and you might have one, but the amount of labor hours needed to do the job right makes it cost prohibitive to most. There are many "best practice" standards that the guys here have set that most people outside the CCF community are not aware of that will add decades to the life of your boat.

Two things are sure- You have a cool boat and you came to the right place to ask questions.
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A good estimate on the number of hours required to do a proper stringer job yourself is approximately 200. Even if youve found a guy who is super efficient and can do it in half that time, he's only paying himself $7.50 an hour. No way are you getting a quality job for that price.

I seriously doubt you would find a person or marina willing and capable of doing a better job than you could yourself (with a little assistance from CCF of course) for a reasonable amount of money. I hear what youre saying about opportunity cost- but this is one area that just doesnt apply if youre on any sort of budget. No one will put the time and care into your boat like you would. I know I wouldnt touch a stranger's stringers for less than $10k. Just my opinion!

FYI, the Martinique of the 70's used the same hull as the 2nd gen (70-81) Ski Nautique. Welcome to CCF!
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Alright, alright. I hear what you guys are saying, its just going to be very difficult for me to find 200 hours to do this. Plus, I don't have a garage, and lack some of the tools required.

I've got a year to think about it, anyway. The best decisions are always made when you're not under-the-gun.

I appreciate your opinions and advice, guys. I feel that CCF will be an invaluable resource as I recondition this boat.
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I felt the same way- no garage or shop, lack of tool, knowledge etc. I started about a month ago and am making good progress. While you milling it over have a look at my thread Stringer Questions 73 Skier

There are tons of beginner questions answered as I knew nothing starting out and had very little resources. Also somewhere on the first page are a bunch more links to good rebuild threads if you need some interesting reading over the next year.

Good Luck!
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Thanks for the tip, Keeganino. I actually found CCF through your "Stringer Questions 73 Skier" thread, when I googled Correct Craft Stringers. I've been following your progress very carefully, and have printed all the pages of your thread. Very good information.
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Thanks. I figured the only way I was going to get it back together was to take lots of pictures and ask lots of questions. Glad the information has helped. I know I have learned a lot in the last month!
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I have a 73 Martinique. I had rotted stringers and completely replaced them some time back. On time required: the 150 to 200 hour figures sound right for a full replacement of 4 stringers and and floor structure outboard of the exhaust channels and forward to the nose. I use foam and plywood floor decking with all epoxy encapsulation. It took about 4 gallons of mixed epoxy. I used Raka.com for supplies and can only speak good things of them - selection, price and support. They have lots of how-to info on their site.
If you deliver the boat sans engine to someone else for this work, be sure to create detailed verifiable dimensioning specifications to insure motor mounting rails and drive shaft alignment can be restored. Also, all this reconstruction requires the top deck be removed which then allows the sides of the boat to flop out so while he rebuilds the inside rails and flooring, the sides have to be braced to the correct width.
Part of that epoxy was to rebuild the wood block structure under the fwd deck. Boy was that a headache.
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I think I purchase over $800 in epoxy alone plus a huge laundry list of everything else. I think I have at least $2400 in materials in my job(75 Skiier Stringer Replacement).

Btw, people ask me all the time "I did not know you knew how to do that kind of thing" and I tell them "I don't but I can't afford to pay someone else to do it". All I am saying is you can do it if you set your mind to it. Borrow some tools if you need to. I used jigsaws, sawsall, table saw, plunge router, belt and palm sanders, drills, etc...

I don't even want to think how much time I have in mine. I started about the first of march and I am putting the carpet in now.

Let me know if I can help.

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Originally posted by poptops poptops wrote:

I have a 73 Martinique. I had rotted stringers and completely replaced them some time back. On time required: the 150 to 200 hour figures sound right for a full replacement of 4 stringers and and floor structure outboard of the exhaust channels and forward to the nose. I use foam and plywood floor decking with all epoxy encapsulation. It took about 4 gallons of mixed epoxy. I used Raka.com for supplies and can only speak good things of them - selection, price and support. They have lots of how-to info on their site.
If you deliver the boat sans engine to someone else for this work, be sure to create detailed verifiable dimensioning specifications to insure motor mounting rails and drive shaft alignment can be restored. Also, all this reconstruction requires the top deck be removed which then allows the sides of the boat to flop out so while he rebuilds the inside rails and flooring, the sides have to be braced to the correct width.
Part of that epoxy was to rebuild the wood block structure under the fwd deck. Boy was that a headache.


I used RAKA as well. This was my second project. Did you get to talk with Larry any? He is a cool dude.
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Buck4U, I have a 78 Martinique as well.

IIRC the hull is the same as the regular ski nautique.

Are you certain it has a 255 hp 351 PCM? I was told mine was a 240 hp 351W. Well, it was before I put on gt40p heads and an edelbrock performer manifold. Now it has quite a bit more than it used to have:)

I had to redo my entire floor and interior. My stringers were not rotted because my boat had low hours on it and it was dry stored most of the time. I yanked 90% of the foam out of my boat and used fiberglass encased plywood for the floor. It turned out great, but I do need to either have the hull re gel coated or maybe it will be able to be wet sanded out. It looks decent, but not up to my standards.

Does yours have the centrally mounted rear ladder and the pimp daddy dual airhorns too?

US composites has a nice product that is about as good of a price as you can get for epoxy.


The PO installed a teak swim platform from a different nautique as I don't think it had that as an option from the factory.


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