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83ski2001
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Posted: July-13-2010 at 9:21pm |
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so as my boat was being unloaded off a rollback from a bad hub the idiots managed to rip one of the swim platform brackets off the back of the boat.....they have a fiberglass repair guy coming to fix tomorrow. i will be there to watch his every move. what should i look for when he fixes? its not to to bad, the nuts pulled through and there was a peice of the gel that came off. i want to make sure he does this correctly so it doesnt leak and mainly because i am so so so anal about my boat. i felt like one of my kids got hit by a car when i heard my boat got messed up... so anyone who knows alot about this? what products should i seee him using? how heavy of cloth? cabasil? let me know your every opinion. thanks
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8122pbrainard
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Cori,
Have you ever considered you whole boat is full of rot and your swim platform is the least of your worries? |
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83ski2001
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yeah i have considered that...but not in the middle of the summer. the transom is totally dry inside. i didnt really ask for opinions on how i should totally tear my boat down naked and redo it. i want to fix this minor problem and make sure the guy who fixes it does it right so i can enjoy the rest of my summer. so back to my question....what should i watch for when the guy fixes it?
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8122pbrainard
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Cori, I know you didn't ask the question but I wan't first for you to think about the problem. I don't care if your transom is "totally dry"! have you ever checked the condition of the ply reinforcement in the transom? I seem to feel no. We have seen people open up the ply and find it totally rotten. It goes beyond your swim platform and into the lifting ring attachment. It takes quite a bit of force to rip off a platform bracket so I'd say you have some issues. If this guy is simply going to slop some filler in the hole then yes, you've found the wrong guy. I recommend he does some exploring by drilling holes into the ply and actually determine if in fact you have a rot problem. If he finds ANY, all the ply on the transom needs to be ground out and replaced. When's the last time you spent time reading some of the stringer (and transom repair) treads? Lots of info. CPES and epoxy. Mat and biax or several layers of 12 ox. cloth. Talk to him and report back. I do not feel this repair if done properly will be cheap. |
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83ski2001
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let me explain more to you what caused it to rip off....when we loaded it on the rollback it was in the grass and the rudder drug in the grass a little bit as it went up on the rollback...so i knew that when he was going to take it off he needed to jack up the back as it was coming off the rollback. so the guy had a jack under the prop guard but did not realize that the jack handle was straight up and it caught on the bottom of the platform and pushed up and up and up and up until it pulled the one side out of the glass. it was not ripped off due to rot. i have had 5 people on that platform at one time to take a picture. i build homes for a living and work with wood everyday. i know what rot is and whats not. the transom wood is not rotten. it was the jack handle caught under a 4000 pound boat. if u ask me i am suprised it did not do anymore damage than it did. its actually very minor. sorry i did not expain fully at first. i am sure that my floors and stringers are rotten underneath, but i do not have the time to do this job in the middle of the summer. thanks for your concern.
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8122pbrainard
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Sorry Cori, Just wanted to make you aware of potential problems. I'm very glad you are so well versed in wood rot. You've got it handled then. You build homes with fiberglass encased wood?? Wow, tell me more. |
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83ski2001
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ill just stop asking for help. because everytime i do i get made to feel like a fool. sorry for bothering you all
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srbranum
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If you knew all the answers, why did you ask? These guys helped me out a ton in all my selfishness when I had tunnel vision in my stringer rebuild and 99% of the time, they were correct. |
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I have to keep her running 'cause I can't afford a new one
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Keeganino
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If they repair only what got broken it will still take more than a day to do it. The plywood will be ground out, replaced and bedded in thickened epoxy, then glassed over with any number of cloths, mat or biaxial. As long as the thickness is there it doesn't much matter wich one they use. All bolts sealed with 3M 5200 marine sealant. Its a pretty involved repair.
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8122pbrainard
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Cori, 1)You ask. 2)I answer which a very important warning trying to make sure you know of the potential rot issue. 3)I answer your question with some tech advise. 4)You state you know everything about rot because you build houses! 5)Yes, I come back at you with a sarcastic comment because I'm shocked that you feel building houses has anything in common with a boat hull. What the H are you talking about?? Think about it!! Plus to be real honest here, I'm still pissed about what you did and what you put everyone through on this site. (as well as other sites) |
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ok well ill leave the site. thanks for your help
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can I ask a question what is the transom. Is it the bottom of the boat that you can see when you look at the motor. I am trying to figure out if my stringers are damaged but I do not know how to see the stringers without riping something apart. fummy thing my seats were redone not so long ago (before I got the boat some of you know my story)
well after doing alot of work on the boat this past week found that whoever did the seat did not replace any wood at all so now I have these beautiful seats on the outside and they are literaly falling apart on the inside. Thanks Jess |
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In naval architecture, a transom is the surface that forms the stern of a vessel. Transoms may be flat or curved and they may be vertical, raked forward (known as retroussé), or raked aft.[1][2] The bottom tip of the transom can be approximately on the waterline, in which case the stern of the vessel is referred to as a "transom stern", or the hull can continue so that the centreline is well above the waterline before terminating in a transom, in which case it is referred to as a "counter stern".[3]
Merc 50 hp.jpg On smaller vessels where an outboard motor is the source of propulsion, the motor is usually mounted on the transom, and held in place either by clamps or metal bolts that go through the transom. In this arrangement, all the power of the motor is transmitted via the transom to the rest of the vessel's structure, making it a very important part of the vessel's construction.[4] The term is probably a corruption of Latin transtrum, a thwart, in a boat; equivalents are French traverse, croisillon, German Heckspiegel.[5] The expression over the transom is rooted in the architectural meaning of the word. See |
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Jessica, good to hear from you. We have all been waiting for a transmission update. Sorry to hear about the seats. It should be possible to remove the covers and replace the wood with new plywood as neccesary, cost would be minimal but its a bit of a hassle.The transome is the surface the swim deck is mounted to. The stringers are what your engine and transmission mounts are bolted to. The simplest way I have heard to check for stringer rot is to tighten the stringer lag bolts. If they strip out and spin you have problems.
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So, more accurately it was the boat that weighs 2x what it should? |
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8122pbrainard
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It's a very bad case of wet foam! |
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Cori, I know you're still around: "Last Visit: Yesterday at 12:59am" (7/18/10) Tell us, was the repair made on the transom? What did the glass guy end up doing? You're selling the boat so what are you looking at? Hopefully another CC. |
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