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emccallum
Platinum Member Joined: August-08-2006 Location: Clarks Hill SC Status: Offline Points: 1084 |
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Pete, that is a really nice shop! I know you are excited. FWIW, regarding the fiber in the concrete. I have poured two garages with fiber reinforced concrete and painted them with epoxy paint. The acid wash and scrubbing in the epoxy prep work seems to take care of the fibers, and the paint goes over without issue.
I have painted several shops/garages. From what I have found the only difference in the commercial and residential epoxy paints is the acid used to clean the concrete. The residential uses citric and the commercial, I believe uses a stronger acid, maybe muriatic. I have gotten the best results by doing two coats of paint, second coat after a day of drying. If using paint chips, throw them into the second coat, and dont do too big of an area at a time, as the chips are hard to throw more than a couple of feet! I paint, and the wife and kids take turns decorating with paint chips. |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Ernest,
Thanks! Yes, I getting pretty excited about having a decent shop. For years it's been off the tailgate of the truck for small projects that needed to be done up there. Now I can start on the bigger ones!! Now the only problem is something called my job and work! Regarding the floor, you're correct on the muriatic and citric acid. Muriatic can get quite nasty and the average homeowner shouldn't be messing with it. I've delt with quite alot of floor coatings here at the plant. There is a major difference between residential and industrial. The residentials are just epoxy paint whereas the industrial I plan on using is a high solids epoxy coating. It even requires a epoxy primer. (etching as well) We've got one area that's been down for over 10 years, get's plenty of fork lift traffic and even some steel wheel traffic. It's held up very well. A epoxy garage floor paint wouldn't. |
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quinner
Grand Poobah Joined: October-12-2005 Location: Unknown Status: Offline Points: 5828 |
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Pete,
So you decided to go standing seam on the roof, awesome! There does not appear to be any ice/snow shield in the pics? Looking great, thanks to Charlie for keeping us visually involved! |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Chris,
According to the metal roofing sub, the ice and water isn't needed with the standing seam. I did ask! Also with the raised energy truss heal, the GC using 2" foam for attic ventilation chutes and the continuous 2" eve venting I don't feel I'll have any problems with ice damming. Thanks to you as well for keeping your eye on it. BTW, the little roof section over that north man door in being framed up today. He hadn't forgotten it - just not done yet. |
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emccallum
Platinum Member Joined: August-08-2006 Location: Clarks Hill SC Status: Offline Points: 1084 |
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Pete, I am considering redoing my shop floor. Lots of heavy traffic. Auto lift, fuel, brake fluid, etc. What is the brand of floor paint yo are going to use? It may be just what I need. The residential has not come up, just worn out. |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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In my specs I stated nothing less quality than Rust-Oleum 6500 series. The painting sub said he uses a even better one with a higher build and is tougher. I didn't get the brand from him but will be seeing him at the end of the month. I'll ask him.
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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The quote just came in from WPS on the new gas and electric service to the shop. Actually, I was expecting worse due to the fact these are secondary services to the same property. Usually they just "nail" you full price on theses second services. Just under $1000 for the electric and only $168 for the gas line. Both lines will be coming up my existing driveway from the road in the same trench then to both meter locations as planned. Yup, the onsite meeting with my electrician worked!! BTW, they'll have well over 1K of copper in the install alone!! Has anyone priced out heavier gauges of copper lately?? The Chinese have got the prices jacked way up!!!
Ernest, The painting contractor has started on the job so I'll be talking with them. I need to pick out some colors so they just aren't guessing at general color names. I'll be emailing them so I'll bring up the concrete floor coating subject with them. |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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I got a call today from WPS. Man, it's like night and day with what I have to go through almost every week down here at the plant. Down here dealing with Commonwealth Edison you need to beg, borrow, steal, plead or whatever to get anything done and that's after 2 to 3 months!!! Plus, we're a 1 meg user and I have my own account manager!!
WPS is ready to move!! They just wanted to know if the meter base was set so they can proceed to do the underground to wire to it. Their own crews are even doing the work (no subs) but this also may be a "sign of the times". Not much going on!!! I spoke with the electrician this morning and he did set the underground meter base yesterday so he's ready. Interestingly, the "round about" way they need to go up my drive from the pad mounted transformer up to the new SE is on the long side. WPS doesn't like to see secondary "drops" that long but they are still going to do it. I've seen plenty that are longer especially on overheads. I do not feel I'll have any issues with voltage drop. The primary feeder although a old underground, is still in decent shape. I'm taking my DMM up with me anyway just to see what's at the SE!! More will be learned when a load is put on it!! At least I didn't need to have a 10' wide swath of trees cut down and loose my wood shed!! |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Getting more done!!
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Brady
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looks great Pete, cant wait to see it in person!
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Charlie
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Chuck,
Thanks!! The frustrating part of this project is you happen to be seeing it more than I!!! I've confirmed the exterior paint color scheme with the painter. Didi and I love it but of course "Miss" Darcy being the art teacher major doesn't!! We're going all gray/white shades. Starting with the standing seam roof being a charcoal gray and the fake scissor trusses on the gable ends will be the same as well as the shutters. (shutters very much needed to offset the large wall areas) Then soffit, fascia, corner boards and window/door casing will be white. (windows are clad white and the doors are fiberglass coming in with prepaint white - OH door too) The batten on board siding will be all a light/neutral shade of grey. I'm happy to see Terry also Tyvek wrapped it. Not on the spec sheet due to the R-Board sheathing. Also of interest is he does not use rafter ventilation chutes. Instead, he actually uses (photos to confirm but real dark) rigid foam board, He nails a 1" spacer just at the top of the of the upper cord of the truss and then staples the foam to it. Lot's of labor but I certainly feel worth the effort. Even though I went with trusses with "energy heels", thats always the weak point of a high R ceiling insulation system. The foam adds at least a R 5 to the heal area. I'm sorry to hear that you're going to miss out on all the fun of installing the dust ducting. It sure would have been nice to have a true "pipe fitter (union guy)" around to help out. Sometimes those family trip to the in-laws do get in the way! BTW, We got a very nice note from Liz today - thank her for me for sending it. Very thoughtful. |
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62 wood
Grand Poobah Joined: February-19-2005 Location: NW IL Status: Offline Points: 4527 |
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Pete,
I LIKEY!!!! |
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storm34
Grand Poobah Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4493 |
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Very nice! I'm sure you are anxious to get some activities going in there. BTW, how are the water levels in your next of the woods? We've got plenty to spare... the SNOB tried getting loose last night!
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Clew In
Senior Member Joined: March-06-2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 184 |
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Hey,
I am a little late to this party. I work for Forta Corporation and have been selling synthetic concrete fibers for 10 years now. Fibers are great and I have done some revolutionary floor designs with them. We have broken ACI (American Concrete Institute) design rules. There is more to concrete and reinforcing concrete than just adding reinforcing and expecting concrete not to crack. Concrete shrinks and curls and these two items are overlooked and not considered when designing. We describe fibers by a 4-c's formula: Configuration (mono fibers or fibrillated) Chemistry (what they are made of) Correct Length Content (how much in a yard of concrete) One thing I can say is that using fibers with that tube heat system is a great way to reinforce that concrete slab (the wire on the bottom is not doing anything). I will try to post more later and if anyone would like more information I will be glad to e-mail you some. baggetttom@yahoo.com Tom |
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Tom,
Thanks for backing up the choice to go with the fiber. Good to hear coming from another professional in the field. |
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Clew In
Senior Member Joined: March-06-2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 184 |
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Hey,
Most people do not understand that there are many different fibers to choose from and the Ready Mix Industry only wants to supply the cheapest product available. They have been lowering the dosage rate per yard and have even started using a cellulose (paper) fiber. The fiber with muscle is our Ferro Fiber(Macro Fiber). It is a replacement for Steel fibers and we can replace rebar in many applications. Several states have specification for these fibers and one of the biggest applications are UTW (ultra thin whitetopping). They are using a thin layer of concrete and Macro Fibers to cover asphalt roads and parking areas. This is a durable surface no rutting or shoving and less maintenance over the life of the surface. Also, concrete looks better and is cooler. Anyway, and understanding of shrinkage and curling can explain a lot of cracking problems with concrete. Here is a link that we used 7.5lbs per yard and did not put any joints in. No fuzzy finish and no cracks. This is an envelope pusher and many details have to be done to lower the crack probability. TomForta Ferro Fiber Have a great weekend, Tom |
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LaurelLakeSkier
Senior Member Joined: February-12-2007 Location: Wisconsin Status: Offline Points: 485 |
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Here are a few more shots of the progress on Pete's new shop.....looking good!
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The world is full of youth—what we need is a fountain of smart!
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Brady
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Mark,
Are you going to be around this weekend? |
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Charlie
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LaurelLakeSkier
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Yes.....but most of the time I'll be over at Crandon.....Footstock weekend.
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Great shots Mark! Thanks for taking the time to stop, take the pictures and then post them. I know it's really a hassle up there to do it. (does the library allow you to plug in your camera to their computers? or do you finally have a computer at the house?) The annoying part of this project is I'm stuck down here and you and Charlie are seeing more of what's going on than I am!!
Your pictures of the inside are sure better than the ones Darcy sent me. Even trying to adjust the brightness and or contrast, I could never get a decent one showing what Terry does for the ventilation baffles at the truss heals. I did however understand what he was doing. I did the same when I converted the shed to the bunk house. Nice concept with using the foam for the extra R factor at the weak point instead of those cheap plastic ventilation shoots. The heal area sure is the weak point of ceiling insulation even with a "energy" heal truss (unless you go extreme with something like a 12" heal!!) Also, it's nice to see him adding blocking within the wall for the cabinets. Sure is a better method to have a consistent level of wood to screw to that trying to locate studs. Especially for the "uppers'! His attention to detail is beyond the norm of the typical GC's you find up there. I'm happy!! BTW, have Patty check her email. I sent one to her because I didn't have your address on the home computer. I got my CC statement in and I think Bill at the Bayview screwed up. My portion of the charges sure don't look like half of the bill!! |
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Dreaming
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Pete, how much weight are you able to hang from those W beams? I wish I had thought of that when I built my garage.... I've considered a retrofit, with steel posts and a beam slightly offset from center, but haven't done anything yet...
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Kris, I'm planning on putting 2 1 ton hoists on each beam. They are W1426 beams and per the chart at a 30' span each can handle a safe load of 9.4 tons. So that's a 4.7 to 1 safety factor. Depending on the weight you're planning on lifting, you want to think about what the posts (columns) are going to sit on. If the weight is over several tons, just the floor slab may not do it. Depends on how your floor was built. |
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79nautique
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so what is supporting those I-beams Pete? is there and outer block wall that is covers and supporting them? The one over the door's header scares me. Are the supported from above by the trusses?
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8122pbrainard
Grand Poobah Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Chris,
Keep in mind this is a fully footed building with a 48" poured concrete frost wall. The small block "knee" wall at the columns has it's cores concrete filled and rebared into the frost wall. The columns themselves are engineered "Parallam" and each is rated at 8,170lbs. compressive load for their given length. The header over the OH door is a engineered Microlam and is surprisingly strong. Beyond the roof load using the max 115% snow load charts, it has a extra 24,000lbs of capacity!! It is also triple trimmered per the spec's for the desired bearing surface on both ends. No, they are not supported by the trusses. That's not what you want to do with a common roof truss. I'm not worried at all. I went through all the calculations before CQ put my plans on CAD!! |
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Riley
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Pete, this is quite a garage you're building. Architech designed and it's even got custom cabinets from 62Wood. How's it compare with the quality of the house? Probably a lot better? I got a feeling pay back time from your wife in a year or two is going to be costly.
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8122pbrainard
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Bruce, Yes the house isn't much. It's a converted 3 season 2 bedroom and a common living/dining/kitchen. A basement was added and the exterior walls were added onto to get them insulated. Then, gas forced air heat made it 4 season however, not much insulation it the attic. I only keep it heated through New Years. The attic insulation issue will be changed with a second roof when it's remodeled/added onto. Plans are in the works for a remodel and addition but that may be in a couple years. It was my wife's idea to do the shop first! |
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79nautique
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yea but did he translate the file and use Ansys and load it and do an FEA analisys? I didn't think it actually was attached from up top didn't see a cross brace running across so that you could attach it. Yes the E-lam stuff is good and strong as long as it's never compromised anywhere, just used to a little beefier support columns on the headers I'm sure it's just the camera angle and maybe the wrap covering them up some that makes it look smaller. |
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New carport to replace what you lost in the storm Marty? Did you go a little bigger?
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MartyMabe
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Yeah--OE was 18' x 21'
They came with a 30'x 30' the 1st time.I told em, that is not gonna fit. Then they came with a 26' x 28'- still ain't gonna fit. I don't know who was ordering them, called the insurance, got the contractor out there, then they came back with a 24' x 26'-- I told'em to put it up! |
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