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Tomorrows the big day, all you conservatives get out there, vote early and vote often!

Nancy said the other day she would retire if she lost the speaker job. If that does not get out the vote I don't know what will.

thats one beoch i will glady see retire

OverMyHead wrote: Nancy said the other day she would retire if she lost the speaker job.

   Adios Nancy. GTFO.

   Mike


     

Not the complete bloodbath I was hoping for but I will take it. A step in the right direction. Good by Nancy,(deleted something really nasty here).

OverMyHead wrote:    If it is business as usual it might be an armed revolt next time.

Thats my fear, looking like Dems control Senate and GOP controls house, thats a recipe for Gridlock with the Dems in the White-house. I believe it is the largest change / swing (Dem to GOP - this time) in WI, gaining the governorship, state assembly and state senate, so now we'll see what the GOP can do, should be a pretty good case study to watch.

Once again Massachusetts and California show they have the heads up their butts.

I hope Obama aplogizes to the enemy in his speech, oh by the way Mr. President, not only are we riding on the bus we gst window seats!!!

I'd "like" to think I'm an independent BUT the Dems force me into being republican !

Of course we are mostly republican. These boats are expensive, which means we have jobs. Which means we aren't democrats.

I looked for a SN entitlement referendum...didn't see it.

Happened to see the Muslim,traitor president on TV this afternoon. He sure was eating some "Humble Pie".
Also noticed that there was an American flag displayed on the platform and he even had an American flag lapel pin. What a coincidence!

Very well said. Its to bad that our elected officials (from both sides of the aisle) don't share your sensibility.

The ex-quality guy in me, wants to root cause the "why," my suspicion is that most politicians are driven by the need to stay employed (and why not, aren't all of us) which means get re-elected. I firmly believe that realistic term limits would go along way to ending the partisan politics that have become the norm in recent years.

That being said, I am excited to see what can happen in the great state of WI with people that are more in line with my thinking at the helm.

Hansel wrote: mdvalant wrote: Is everyone here republican? Not that I judge, but it sure seems like most of us are, which is pretty dang cool. It is obvious that CCF is dominated by members or supporters of the GOP. As a result there is a lot of "conversation" about politics here in the "Off Topic" section that is little more than a high five session on the internet. I'm not so sure that is "pretty dang cool." I would encourage members of all parties, Republican, Democrat, and everything in between, to actually consider what the "other" people are saying. No sound bite "answer" or outright, and completely irrelevant, falsehood (e.g. "President Obama is a Muslim!") is going to bring the real issues into focus. Could it be that some people who vote Democrat think very much as you do, but simply have other priorities? There are a lot of other things to worry about than just taxes, the deficit, or government bailouts.   From my point of view, you can either help to steer this country and world forward as best you know how, or you can cover your eyes and ride this planet straight into the ground. The latter is easy. The former is difficult, requiring real dialogue and, *gasp*, compromise.

Hansel, I quite agree that we all have much more in common than differences, but there are some very distinct differnces between the parties that have led to friction. Conservatives in general believe in the abilities of their fellow man and that he or she has the ability to prosper with their own unique talents if allowed to do so, and that they bear the responsibility to try and achieve that. We recognize the need for charity and actually enjoy the opportunity to aid those that need it and mentor those that face challenges, in order to help them become self sufficient. These also happen to be the founding principles of this county. With the declaration of independance and our constituion a very unique and special set of operating rules where created to foster individual achievement and a nation rapidly developed into a dominant world power based on these rules. It was a very successful formula and experiment that absolutely works. I personally want to see the experiment continued, except it now is a proven system.
My take on liberals/ Democrats (my take) is that they do not believe in the individual, they see them as in need of protection as they cannot succeed on their own. This robs the individual of the self satisfaction of achieving on their own, and has created a permanet class of dependant individuals who are of able body and mind, but unable or unwilling to participate in the experiment.
Another part of this difference is that conservatives believing in the individual tend to keep to themselves until pushed to far. Liberals believe that everyone must contribute to their solutions and mandate their participation. They say a conservative who does not like guns will not own one, a liberal who does not like guns seeks to ban them.
You say There are a lot of other things to worry about other than just taxes, the deficit, or government bailouts, and you are correct. With a national budget of 1.8 trillion most consevatives were concerned because they did not agree, but you did not see them protesting in the streets. When the budget went to 4 trillion in two years of democratic leadership they were pushed to far. We were forced to worry.
Why is it if someone wants to save the world, I or "the rich" have to pay for it, and what is the effect of taking that choice away from the individual. If I am reasonably taxed for legitmate government services I will have the resources to give charitably, and I have done that alot in my life. I have given time and money to my fellow man because I feal blessed in my life and wish to share that. Doing so makes me feel good and is an additional reward for my achievement. Under the liberal system the government takes the money up front from me. I have little to no imput in how efficiently the money gets used or where it goes, and I lose the gift of being charitable by my own choice. This leads to feeling cynacle rather than blessed.
Why can't liberals just say I want to improve this, here is some of my money or my time. What makes them so arrogant that they are sure they are spending the money better than those they take it from? "The rich" are the ones who create jobs in this country and when we punish them for doing so by taking their rewards we discourage them and they stop creating jobs. Maybe creating jobs is their contribution to society, isnt that enough?
Who is to say which direction is the one that will steer this country forward. I say this countrys people did that with the aid of a brilliant constition for over 200 years, just stay out of thier way. If you disagree with me do your own thing, one of us may be wrong, but I know it its wrong to demand someone pay for the wrong direction when they may be going in the right direction.
I heard an analogy about compromise today. If you want food to eat to sustain yoursef and someone offers you arsenic, how much do you consume as a comprimise. I believe freedom is nurishment and re-distribution of wealth is arsenic. How much do you want me to consume as a compromise to get along.

How about instead of 18 being the day you can vote make it when you first actually pay net positive taxes. Or only if you have payed lifetime net positive taxes. Imagine the tax revenue increases if poeple were cheating up their income so they could vote. The point being you should have some skin in the game if you are making the decisions.

We are all on the same page about BEING ACCOUNTABLE.