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On this whole pope and condom discussion, here's a question.

If the people aren't engaging in sexual activity, wouldn't that also stop the spread of AIDS?

While you may not agree with Phil, I don't see how you can chose to berate the fact that he comes to "conclusions". Don't most people? The difference is, for the most part, Phil is obviously drawing his conclusions based on a lot of different information, and not a single biased source.

Understand completely Kevin.   

As far as the Pope wanting people to abstain, I agree, that is what he wants. But I think the big issue is at what cost? Sacrifice one part of your belief to help others, or hold true to your beliefs no matter the cost? Some would see it being true to your beliefs, others may see it to be insane. It just depends on what you believe in, and how strongly you believe in it.

Tarrifs when placed are are almost always countered by the partner country, leaving little net gain in revenue or trade, In the mean time goods normally purchased from that country because of the price bennefit have to be purchased from a more expensive source. Over all the standard of living for the general population goes down when trade is restricted due to increased prices, On an individual basis ic can temporarily prop up an industry but not for any long term bennefit.

phospher wrote: Well if you actually took the time to watch some of the things I've posted you would know... Very briefly, DNA came from Nucleotides. The nucleotides were created from hydrogen, hydrogen cyanide, ammonia, and methane. I'm no physicists but most of the smartest people ever to live are and this stuff is not quick or easily explained. You can learn too grasshopper; http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/a-universe-from-nothing-lecture/

OK phil, I read all 9 pages of the "I wish it were true thread", and watched the video link above which was a nice piece on the universe but did not contribute to the origin of life subject, there is an hour I dont get back, thanks. I thank you for finally answering a guestion directly, you even forgot to call me ignorant, well it at least took a second post to get around to it. Praise God for another small miracle! You got up to the ingredients for dna, but when you get to the heart of my guestion you say nucleotids were CREATED. My point exactly. What I have learned from the 9 pages of the previous discussion is that this site has some good, witty and intellegent members that I am very thankful to be able to spend time with, then there is the exception that proves the rule. You make massive assumptions of others without showing any interest in their real situations. You assumed peoples religious backgrounds and beliefs without ever inquireing about them. You made very strong accusations about my Church without ever asking where I attend. You do not appear to be the inquisative scientist you claim., You seem more concerned about proclaiming your superiority than participating in a dialog. I said earlier I was just having some fun with Phil, after enduring those 9 pages I read I am agreeing with the others, its just not that fun anymore. Sorry for opening up the religion topic everyone, to paraphrase Moses, "forgive me for I did not understand".

the Chinese manipulate the Yen, making it devalued and more attractive to buyers, on the union thing which Ohio is a big union state, labor laws are in place thru the federal government which basically there really is not a need for a union in todays time and I strongly believe the unions had a part in Nafta, not creating it but imposing it because the cost of labor, companies had no choice but to out source cheaper labor to compete and break away from the stronghold of the unions, im sure the union leaders were dead against Nafta becasue of this. the 18 hour enforced work days for 2.00 an hour is long gone and so should be the unions...pay a man based on what he knows or on his experience level. I hate the paraphrse "I deserve it" the only thing someone deserves in this country is opportunity...It happened here in Ohio, the shift of labor to non union states protecting the bottem line. I could name 200 union guys up here fiddling their thumbs and the first thing they did when they lost their jobs was go out into the system saturating the trades and creating a strain on the work force.
at the time they deserved 60 hour 40.00 an hour work weeks, pushing a button...good for the economy, temporarily, until the outsourcing of labor begun, now that same job is a 14.00 an hour job.
maybe its a cycle, and now up here they are happy to take that 14.00 an hour job to survive which devalues the dollar and brings the cost of goods down to the affordable range again....hope it works

OverMyHead wrote: phospher wrote: Well if you actually took the time to watch some of the things I've posted you would know... Very briefly, DNA came from Nucleotides. The nucleotides were created from hydrogen, hydrogen cyanide, ammonia, and methane. I'm no physicists but most of the smartest people ever to live are and this stuff is not quick or easily explained. You can learn too grasshopper; http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/a-universe-from-nothing-lecture/ OK phil, I read all 9 pages of the "I wish it were true thread", and watched the video link above which was a nice piece on the universe but did not contribute to the origin of life subject, there is an hour I dont get back, thanks. I thank you for finally answering a guestion directly, you even forgot to call me ignorant, well it at least took a second post to get around to it. Praise God for another small miracle! You got up to the ingredients for dna, but when you get to the heart of my guestion you say nucleotids were CREATED. My point exactly. What I have learned from the 9 pages of the previous discussion is that this site has some good, witty and intellegent members that I am very thankful to be able to spend time with, then there is the exception that proves the rule. You make massive assumptions of others without showing any interest in their real situations. You assumed peoples religious backgrounds and beliefs without ever inquireing about them. You made very strong accusations about my Church without ever asking where I attend. You do not appear to be the inquisative scientist you claim., You seem more concerned about proclaiming your superiority than participating in a dialog. I said earlier I was just having some fun with Phil, after enduring those 9 pages I read I am agreeing with the others, its just not that fun anymore. Sorry for opening up the religion topic everyone, to paraphrase Moses, "forgive me for I did not understand".

Is there anything that could convince you that there is no God? Anything at all? And if I'm so off basis with your religious denomination please enlighten me. What religion are you?

If that were the case.....

phospher wrote: eric lavine wrote: If that were the case..... Exactly, but wait a few minutes because the Christians will tell us how they get to pick what's literal and what's not.

Actually, exactly the opposite, Phil. The Bible is not meant to be cherry picked and it is meant to be read and followed wholly and literally. The cherry picking typically comes from guys like you trying to point out your justification for not wanting to believe it.

I believe in the WHOLE Bible, not parts. You're picking out parts.

You have a pretty strong focus on the OT and OT law. Tell me, what is it that Jesus taught regarding OT law, religion, heaven, etc? (I'm assuming you've read the entire Bible...correct me if my assumption is wrong)

Yes, good reminder of the definition of faith. So, would you say that you have faith in certain things or do you only believe in the things with absolute proof?

Okie Boarder wrote: I believe in the WHOLE Bible, not parts. You're picking out parts. You have a pretty strong focus on the OT and OT law. Tell me, what is it that Jesus taught regarding OT law, religion, heaven, etc? (I'm assuming you've read the entire Bible...correct me if my assumption is wrong) Yes, good reminder of the definition of faith. So, would you say that you have faith in certain things or do you only believe in the things with absolute proof?

Yes, I've read the barbarism. Jesus is sadistic. He kills he loves. He threatens you with hell but can reward you with heaven. What kind of guy does that? NO ONE cause it's a story!


You have to be crazy to believe that your priest/pastor can mumble a few words and turn a cracker into the body of christ or the wine into the blood of christ. You think that this universe was created in 6 short days. People are scared of death and the central lie for all religion is that there's a cure for this. Play your cards right and you can go to heaven. This is why religion survives. You guys have surrendered your mind, and your reason. You make claims that you cannot possibly know but only hope are true. I would love to hear one of you say "I'm not sure if there's a god" because again, you can't possibly be sure. I'll start, it is possible there is a god though there is absolutely zero evidence that points to it so I highly doubt it. But there is a very small minute chance.

Are you ashamed to mention the brand?
Do you drive an electric car?
Are you afraid no one would respond to your Anti religion thread?

harddock wrote: Are you ashamed to mention the brand? Do you drive an electric car? Are you afraid no one would respond to your Anti religion thread?

I don't see what your getting at but I own a 2008 Moomba and an 82 American skier and what's wrong with an electric car?

Phil,

What model is your 08 Moomba?

Okie Boarder wrote: Phil, Sounds like you feel you have it all figured out. I hope you're right. I didn't see an answer to this question... So, would you say that you have faith in certain things or do you only believe in the things with absolute proof? I'm asking because you mentioned earlier in this thread about your belief in nucleotides, DNA and their origins. In the reading I've done, science has been able to duplicate this origination by performing lab experiments with intervention. To my knowledge, I've yet to see science prove this can happen completely without intervention. I also notice you haven't clearly stated what you believe to be the cause of the origins of life. I'd say we can rule out you believing in creation, but there are other theories out there. Do you believe any of those theories or is the "jury still out" in your mind on the origins of life?

You need to at least have real evidence that points to reasons why something is. Faith? I have no faith in anything. I don't believe without evidence.


I've looked at all the evidence and the best theories are by far the big bang and evolution. Now, and here is where I loose anyone of faith, if in the future we make more discoveries that changes things scientifically than I would change my thoughts. You can't even say that cause your a mind slave to a book.