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wingwrench
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Posted: December-12-2010 at 9:14pm |
I've just acquired what I believe to be a 1963 American Skier, sn. AM106
The engine is a Ford Y block with a single YH carter carb. The transmission was out of the boat and looks to be a c model Dearborn. The input shaft (sun gear in the Interceptor manual here) has the teeth rounded. Also the "damper plate" or coupling is missing, sorry if that's the incorrect name, there is nothing in my pile of parts to connect the flywheel to the transmission. Can anyone point me in the right direction to locate these or provide a part number? Before I start replacing stringers I would like to be sure I can get the parts for the transmission. Thank you for the help and a great site, Jack |
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8122pbrainard
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Jack,
Welcome to CCfan. I see you've been reading some of the threads on stringers. If they have never been replaced, I'm sure it's one of the projects you have on the list. We need some pictures!!!! Get ahold of Billy at Correct Parts. He's picked up several Y blocks and may have a extra trans to flywheel coupling. Regarding the input shaft with the sun gear, you'll need to find another trans. |
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wingwrench
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Thanks for the quick reply, here are a few pictures. I'll check with Billy.
The interior was complete but the wood is gone. I was surprised to find that the plywood was just screwed to the stringers, no bonding of any kind. The engine/transmission is complete except for the coupler. The model number on the timing cover shows it to be a 256 but the block casting number indicates a 272. The original owner was an engine builder so it is possible it has had some parts swapped. The engine is clean inside, water jackets look crack and corrosion free and it is full of clean oil. Should be a fun project. |
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Riley
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The single carb set up was used on the 256 135 hp engine. There's blue paint on the heads, so maybe the block and heads were swapped out? It's not unusual to need another tranny or 2 for hard parts when doing a rebuild on those Dearbos.
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eric lavine
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i believe a BW will plug right in, pretty damn sure but not positive it will bolt right to the bellhousing, also I believe it does have a 26 spline input shaft which is the twin to the BW, so it shouldnt be hard to locate a damper. i do have a couple core dearbos and possibly could have the input shaft???? but i myself would do some research on plugging a BW back there.
can you take some more pics of the damaged shaft? and post? also pull the trans back and lets see what type of damper is in there |
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8122pbrainard
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The early Dearbo's had a solid splined coupling that bolted to the flywheel. I don't know exactly when but the later ones came though with dampners on them.
Jack, I'd get a dampner in there if possible. |
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Peter, you are correct .. There was a late style dampner installed on the port engine and a coupler mounted on starboard. I had never seen a dampner on on a Dearbo, live and learn.
The BW will swap out with the Dearbo, I did this on Karens stroker motor. There is a weight gain of about 50 pounds with the Velvet Drive tho. The smaller tranny should work just fine with the lower hp rating. My vote "keep it original"........boat dr |
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eric lavine
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my vote, keep up with progress lol
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wingwrench
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Thanks for the help everyone. Priority one is to keep it original.
Eric, If you want to part with the Dearbo's let me know I am interested. You can never have enough spares. There is no dampener or coupler on it now. When I got the boat the engine was just sitting on the stringer and blocks, the trans was in the front seat. The bolts for the coupler or dampener were in the bell housing. The BW is a last resort if I can't find parts for the Dearbo. I'll definitely put a dampener on it if there is one available. There won't be much progress on it till the weekend when it warms up and I can pressure wash it. I'll post more pictures after I blow all the dead critters out of the hull. Jack |
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pictures will definitely help
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Nice find Jack! I've not seen a blue top before and from the looks of her she is a true diamond in the rough. Welcome to CCFan and keep us all posted. Looking forward to seeing the progress and bringing her back to life. If you need some motivation then join us in Astor Fla March 25-27th for the annual Saint Johns River Run. You'll definately get something out of it and don't worry about bringing a CC. There will be plenty to choose from to catch a ride.
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8122pbrainard
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Eric, Did you forget what a Dearbomatic looks like? Jack, Measure the OD of the input shaft, count the number of splines it has and get a straight edge to measure the distance the end is from the flywheel. Eric is correct that the B/W Velvet will bolt up to the same bellhousing. If the splines and OD turn out, you'd be able to use the same dampner plate. |
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eric lavine
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wanted a pic of the bad input shaft, those dearbos are burned into the cells
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wingwrench
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Eric, Here is one I took when I found the boat.
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Riley
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Different looking input shaft than mine.
Maybe that type is meant for a dampner? Mine goes into a fixed coupler on the crank shaft. |
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Looking at the input shaft on Jack's, how would that mate up properly with anything? It just doesn't look like you could get enough contact area, but I've never seen one before.
Congrats on the boat, glad to see another '63 American Skier on the site! I've got a BW in mine, no experience with a Dearborn. |
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eric lavine
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I'll look today, smooth area for a pilot? can you also take a shot inside the bellhousing?
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8122pbrainard
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Eric, I feel you're correct. I'd say the smooth area is a pilot into the solid coulping. Bruce's input is the one that would engage into a dampner plate. |
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eric lavine
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im getting the same feeling, i wonder why he needs an input shaft?
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wingwrench
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I'll get some more pictures today. |
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wingwrench
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I pulled the cover and pump off the transmission to get a better look. The inside is relatively clean, just some sludge in the bottom. I ran a magnet through it and there is no metal chunks. I am not going to put this back together without another shaft, this one has seen better days.
The flywheel shows witness marks of whatever was on it, dampener or coupler. Crankshaft end. |
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CCF web site.
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wingwrench
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Great, thank you for the tip, I'll give him a call. |
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eric lavine
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that would be from the lack of a damper, i forgot to look for the shaft....I will look today
I would say your style was one of the ones that doesnt use a damper because of the spline damage/wear....good indicator of what the rest of the trans will look like inside |
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eric lavine
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speculation, I could be wrong....
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wingwrench
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Eric,
If you come across the spacer that goes in front of the big bearing at the output end, I need that too. :) It beat the groove up some but I think it will clean up. |
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Jack,
Always glad to see another Correct Craft saved! Give us a little background... ever own one before? |
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The original owner passed away and a good friend of mine was storing it at his warehouse for the family. The engine was headed for a rat rod and the boat was going to be scrapped, so it was on death row and got a pardon.
This is my first inboard, had outboards since I was twelve, still have several. I had an Evinrude dealership in the late 70's to early 90's but have always wanted an old wood inboard. This is a lot less work and will sound just as good. |
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You will love the little 'Skier! This hull is one of my favorites. Looks like you have the dash shifter. Does it have a toe/heel gas pedal?
You can be assured it will turn heads when you fire it at the dock! |
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