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connorssons
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One more! New out drive should br here this week, decided to go with a alpha gen 2. will post more when ready
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connorssons
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More pics!
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This is what ya get for 4 hrs of your life I think im seeing a little light at the end of the CC tunnel these are pics of last test fitting for some pieces prior to bedding, any concerns that anybody can see? tonight Im bonding the 2 transom pieces together. thanks guys for helping so far
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Kristof
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Jeff, nice work!
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Hay Keeganino! can ya give me a call 269 506 1249 Jeff some questions on the thinkened epoxy. THX
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Keeganino
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Wow you are a real man. I wore tyvek suit for grinding. gave me the ability to take a break and go inside if I needed to. Making me cringe just looking at those pics!
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connorssons
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After hitting the boat show in FT Wayne yesterday. decided i cant afford a new ride . so i did about 4 hrs of grinding today on the old sep. no that aint snow on me either
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Keeganino
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Looks great!
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Hay Eric! yes the second piece will be bonded, screws were for fitting and bonding perposes only, have all pieces cpes,d and ready to bond yes i understood on the clamping thanks, do ya use heavy cloth all the way across or just on the edges. jeff
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eric lavine
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chico's kid? looookin goood,
did you understand about pre drilling the 6 transom bolts that hold the drive and also using them as clamp bolts? also i will cut my opening small and sneak in with long vice grips, also too utilizing the u-bo;t holes too for bolt clamps. I dont think you'll want to use clothe between the layers, coat all sides and then scuff with 36 or 80 for the bonding to the transom, coat the edges very well because thats where it will soak and pull water, use the cloth (heavy woven) on the edges running it to the corners. I see you screwed the second piece on, you need to bond that piece also. |
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It looks bulletproof.
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connorssons
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Good afternoon! took some advice of you fine fellers again, made the 1st piece of transom support wider than original. made it as wide as flat part of transom permitted without bends, then cut smaller gimbal plate pattern for 2nd layer. here is a pic of template made with construction paper and hot glue, the part with an x will be cut out to make the 2nd layer. these pics are of the finished product prior to cpes. there is drywall screws temparaly holding it together, i will also use these when joining the 2 pieces together then removing. Eric thanks for suggesting the planer, I cleaned the transom in less than 1 hr. I owe you a case of beer of your choice i was not looking forward to that job. jeff
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Keegan, Nice work!
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Keeganino
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Yep the resin is the glue. Weights or clamps depending on size and shape of pieces you are laminating. I did not glass any pieces before attaching them to the hull. I used cabosil thickened epoxy to attach to the hull. As it squeezed out I used the excess to make a fillet. Then I covered them with 2 layers of biaxial. Your transom might need an extra layer of glass given your application. Three layers of biax is super strong. |
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eric lavine
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on some of the older OMC's the entire engine drive package is supported by the transom, so to trim the boat the engine will go up and down with the drive. but on the mercs, the back 2 engine mounts rest on the inside gimble mount, but still at the top on the outside of the drive the force is being pulled out. you surely can deviate from factory on this one, at times over the years ive even aluminum plated on the inside on the last piece. this is one place strength is important
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Edit: nevermind.
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connorssons
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Tim after looking at mine it is only about an 1/8 strong, just by pushing the floor down in places it will take it out. well placed weights during stringer reinstall will easilly take hook out. does any body know if the sep was built with on in it?
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Jeff, hook in the hull has been discussed here at length- try a search.
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Im following ya now Eric! hay i have a question now that the hull is stripped a friend told me to look for a hook in the hull, he said it will slow the hull about 5 mph what do you guys think? ilooked into it on the internet and its quite detailed. some boat are built that way for quicker planeing , and some are not. the sep i dont think was, so now after alot of straight edging to get hull straight and reinstalling stringers bulkheads ect, i can remove the hook and hopefully get some more mph any thaughts. hope this dont open a can of worms
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On a sterdrive, where does the load of thrust apply on the boat? Is it directly to the transom like an outboard, or is ultimately pushing forward on the motor mounts? I've heard the term "stringer drive" used in reference to OMC sterndrives, just curious how the Mercruisers are set up. |
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eric lavine
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I backed up a bit and noticed the stress cracks originated in the area where the wood ends on the inside. thats what you are trying to eliminate with ply corner to corner...spread the forces of the outdrive. under power the outdrive has a tendency to pull at the top and push at the bottem of the transom.
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eric lavine
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it appears that when they built your boat, time wasnt spent on the transom, to me it looks as if they mereley put 2 pieces of ply together in the gimble area only, and thats why i feel you have stress cracks.....spread the load accross the entire transom with the ply on the first piece corner to corner, and then the second piece as big as you can without obstructing any other component that may be back there. You probably have a deck hanging off the back also,
the one pic you have does not show so much in strength, just a mount pad for the gimble, cheesy, normally most wood back on the transoms are never coated, just painted....cost effective when building at the manufacturer....you have the opportunity to build it stronger and add the personal touch and be worry free when running the boat. post more pics of the transom if you can |
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TRBenj
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Keegan's method is probably more applicable than what we did with the coosa in the BFN.
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connorssons
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Makes sence what your saying Benj, you just got your post in before i finished typing mine what typ of mat in between boards
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TRBenj
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I believe that is the process that Keegan used, yes. |
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connorssons
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the plain resin with hardner will hold them together, thats what your saying, then glass back and sides that goes to boat, then with thickened epoxy attach to hull. all treated with cpes of course then glass over top. how much glass over top, size, and layers? thanks for putting up with my ignorance.
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TRBenj
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If its pooled resin, then it IS brittle. Take a hammer and chisel to it.
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Just use standard 3/4" ply. All of the home dpot and lowes plywoods are made with external wood glue. Make sure it is untreated though. Thats what the cpes is for. When I laminated my lift mount and my stringers I used plain resin and a ton of clamps. Use thickened resin for bedding as mentioned by Tim.
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connorssons
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What,s the trick to putting the 2 pieces of ply together. does the 1st piece of ply get glassed on all sides. and what typ of ply do i get, if i read it rite i dont use marine ply . BTW the pooled resin is not brittle should i leave it in?
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TRBenj
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If the resin in question is simply pooled resin (no glass) then I would say remove it. It will be fairly brittle, as resin doesnt have much strength without the glass fibers. Its most likely a result of a sloppy build process.
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