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Okie Boarder
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Posted: February-09-2011 at 7:31pm |
My wife and I are thinking about getting an old Jeep in the next couple of years. The idea would be to involve our boys in fixing it up and it would be the vehicle they get to drive while finishing high school.
What years and styles should I be looking at? What kind of money should I expect to spend? How much project time should I consider allowing to get it fixed up and ready for driving? |
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75 Tique
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I cant help you with the time and money questions, just the which one question, which is a lot like chocolate and vanilla...your choice.
Don't konw how old you mean by old, but if you mean old, I would opt for a CJ vs a wrangler. I have had one of each. CJs are much jeepier than wranglers, when jeep started turning jeeps into SUVs/cars. I also like CJ5s rather than cJ7s but thats just a preference thing. Same reason that I own a Ski Tique vs a Nautiqe. The CJ5s are small but a hoot. If you are diligent and patient in your search, you can get the CJ5 with the AMC 304. The V8 CJs are very cool in my mind.(especially when outfitted with headers and side pipes... I would advise against any 4 cylinder jeep as they cant get out of their own way, unless you go way back and get an old Willys (which are also cool, and kind of on my wish list). The 4 liter straight 6s are bullet proof and will go forever. I never restored a jeep, but I dont think it is too hard. Absolutely everything you need is available aftermarket. Thats a real easy google seach. Good luck with it. |
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tullfooter
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I can't speak for the older Jeeps. I had a '95 Wrangler, and currently own a 2000 standard, and a 2008 4-door Wrangler. One thing about ride, if that's a concern, is that the 97 was the first year they went away from leaf spring suspension. It's a much smoother ride, and better control. I figure these model years are newer than your thinking, but you might be surprised at what you can find price-wise if you want to do some repair.
I agree with Larry in regards to the 4.0L; the thing will run forever. We have 190,000 miles on the 2000. We (my son and I) bought it with 154,000. |
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BFNSport
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Need more info. I have built many off roaders and if you want to drive it go with a yj or newer.The older Jeeps will be very $$$ and will more than likely need every part touched to get it to a reliable safe ride.CJ5s can be deadly for young men to drive to (short of wheel base).I would never let my kids have a CJ5 |
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SN206
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Andy, I have had a couple of CJ's and really miss them. Shoot me an email and I can give you numbers for several places for OMC parts there in OKC.
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storm34
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I've got a 99 Cherokee Classic and am in the middle of debating wether to sell it or not (bought an 06 durango a few weeks ago.)
Its got 140k but the 4.0 runs like a top. Outside of not starting last week for my GF (-20 windchill) it hasn't let me down. She was pretty upset it wouldn't start and I was sure it would have if I was there, I have more confidence in the Jeep than She jumped in it the next morning and it fired right up. Ha, told ya so!!! Other than that It hasn't given me anything unexpected. I did go ahead and replace wheel bearings and u-joints as preventative maintenance. Thats about the only things I've spent money on. If I werent looking to get a farm truck I'd keep it in a heart beat. Worth it's weight in gold on a snowy/winter day. I know it doesn't help you as far as a project standpoint, but I fully endorse the 4.0 and having it as a safe, reliable car for youngsters. Bullet proof and a go-anywhere ride. I found that if they are well taken care of (the cherokee's atleast) they will last forever. If I keep mine I'm fully confident my kids will drive it some day |
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storm34
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I agree, had a buddy with a 95? 4 cyl and that thing got 10 MPH or less probably because it didn't have any power. Had trouble pulling our empty (boatless and no guides/prop guard/bunks) 2001 trailer back from getting sandblasted. |
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BFNSport
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Cherokees are an awseome rig great milage for size (4.0)and safe stable.The V8 versions are nice but crappy mpg.
I have had 2 Grand Chreokees and both would keep going and going....Great platform for offraoder too. |
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Swatkinz
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I had a pretty nice '42 ford gpw which was basically a Wyllis MB (during WW2, Wyllis couldn't keep up with demand so Ford made a large number of jeeps for the military). Was really a neat vehicle if you have a farm or someplace truly offroad to drive it, but was way too impractical to do much road driving. I had it tagged, but it was like driving a tractor.
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Steve
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Keeganino
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Steve check out this Jeepster. Cant remember the year but a nice specimen!
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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75 Tique
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Very cool vehicles. They were made from 48-51. |
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Swatkinz
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Very cool indeed. Even that was way more practical than my gpw. |
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Steve
2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
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NAUTI84
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Sure need to be careful in any Jeep. Seat-of-the-pants driving! Not many vehicles now-a-days require that anymore. Everyone should learn to drive one. If you go older - the CJ's were great (had an 84 brandy new). If going newer I'd skip up to a TJ. Don't even consider a 4 cyl.! Go with the 4.0L (I also hate Automatics - A real Jeep is a standard.) My present one is a 97 with only about 55,000 miles on it. Plow with it in the Winter & drag it behind the Motothome in the Summer. |
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Salty
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Here is my 1976 CJ5. I bought it for $2,000 here in Atlanta. Identical to what I had in High School and College.
Like you plan to do, I pulled the Six cylinder motor and rebuilt it. Also found the Wide Trac Axles that came later on CJ7's and went through them and put the under a new suspension kit (gives it much more stability than the original narrow trac axles). Found a nice Warn 8274 Winch for $300 and bought a rebuild kit from Warn for less than $50 and cleaned it up. New top and mounted three point seat belts to the roll bar and she is good to go. Very fun project and my boys loved the work! We're now working on getting the Southwind all polished up and looking new again! |
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Salty
2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
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8122pbrainard
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I learned how to drive and off road in one of theses:
1967 Jeepster Commando convertible It had the chrome fenders, Hurst shifter, the Dauntless V6 and the fancy hub cap upgrades. Lots of fun times in in however I do remember my Dad always having to have it repaired!! |
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75 Tique
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Thats another cool one Pete. Although I have only owned two and own none now, I feel much the same about old jeeps as I do old CCs and like old CCs have a wish list that would include an old Willys jeep, an old Willys pick up, a Pheaton Jeepster like the red one above, a late 60s to 71 commando, like the one you pictured and a 70s and/or 80s CJ Renegade, maybe even something a little bodacious like a Golden Eagle. Here's my 81 CJ-5, my daily driver for a while. Here, exploring the back roads of Big Bend Park in Texas. The trip continued to the back roads of Arches and Capitol Reef, then on to Grand Canyon, Zion, Bryce, a snowy unplowed mountain road (it was October) between Utah and Colorado, over Independence Pass, into Aspen, then Denver and then back to Houston. Fun trip.
Dave, That is the perfect CJ project!! You really captured the escence. (the cherry on top would be a V8, but that's ok) |
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BFNSport
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My old "JEEP"
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horkn
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I had a 93 ZJ grand with the 4.0 and the unbreakable AW4 tranny.
It was literally one of the first ever grands to roll off the line in early 1992. The parents have their 99 4.7 wj grand, but they are selling it. I did a frame on restomod of a 86 cj7 with the 4.2 and the 5 speed. Decent rig, but with most jeeps, you fix them more than you drive them. My 93 ZJ was an exception to that rule as it was very dependable. |
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78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior
GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
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harddock
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I have a 1997 ( first year of coil springs) 4 cylinder 5speed with air. It is no rocket ship but can cruise 70+ on the highway, is fair to good on gas, has a better ride than the 95 and older, has 110,000+ miles and including replacing the soft top and buying nicer wheels I have <$6,000 invested. I was fortunate that mine came from the south after living in Germany for awhile so it has no rust. I too dragged it behind a motorome and use it to transport kids to sports games as I can park it anywhere. It is cheaper than an ATV and one handy little unit. I never towed my boat but it will move, my docks, lift, and other yard chores with ease.
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67425ks
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BFNSport, your "jeep" looks to have a hint of samurai in it. looks like fun.
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ky82sn
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I had a 1978 cj7 Renegade with a v8 automatic. I bought it a week after graduating from high school. It was red with orange Renegade lettering on the hood. It had a tan colored soft top. I used to run it through all the rock bottom creeks around KY and used it as my daily driver at the same time.
It had plenty of go and I felt very safe at all times. I know someone in my town that has a early 90s. He's asking 2500. It's red but doesn't have the Renegade paint package. |
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1982 ski nautique
1966 Al Tyll Skier |
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BFNSport
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Yup just the hood I started out with a Samurai, full bodied but like anything its never enough. Everyone called it a jeep it was a on going joke in our 4X4 group we had 2, 67 Broncos 2, Samurais and my buggy and to outsiders they were always called Jeeps lol |
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WakeSlayer
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Here's my 91 Mountain Crawler. I keep her out in North Idaho. My favorite vehicle I will ever own. Yeah yeah yeah, I know it has square headlights, but I don't care. She is awesome.
I am a Jeep lifer, and have had 5 Grand Cherokees of one model or another. Love them. |
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Salty
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75Tique - my first Jeep was a 78 CJ5 and looked exactly like yours.
Wish I could have found an New Old Stock Black vinyl top like the one on your Jeep. No where to be found today ... So I went with the Best Top Tiger Top. Not as good as their Super Top, but more closely resembles the look of my old "Original" top then made by Whitco!!! |
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Salty
2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
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FINS
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I know this is way off the original topic of retoring a Jeep with your kids, but have you seen the Icon products? They make reproduction vintage CJ's and FJ's that are SO cool looking and have every imaginable upgrade...including the price!! Last time I looked it was around $80,000 for a CJ!!
ICON 4X4 |
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Okie Boarder
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Thanks for the info so fa all. I'd definitely like to get something that will be a good daily driver for the boys when they're in the last couple years of high school and be something fun for the family. We'll probably do somoe minor off roading. I definitely like the idea of something in the 80's or 90's. I'm partial to the round headlights and I would definitely want a hard and soft top. I like the idea of the straight 6 engine the most. One suggestion from another forum was to get a mid 90's model and swap the front section with new style or old CJ style to get the round headlight look but get some of the benefits of something a little newer than the old CJ's. Ideally, I'd like my budget to be $10K or less. I'd also like it to be cool looking...probably a minor lift and some nice sized tires with a nice wheel combo.
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BFNSport
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Yup you can swap a CJ front clip on a YJ.
$10,000 You can pic up a sweet TJ lift and a 4.0 and just wash it and drive it to get ice cream :-) |
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Swatkinz
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Ya'll made me want to dig up some pics of my old 42. Enjoy!
P.S. After uploading, the resolution stinks. Don't know why |
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Steve
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kapla
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looks like it's nice...
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<a href="">1992 ski nautique
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Gary S
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I'm kinda partial to Cherokee's.We have had 2 '95's and my current '01.We also have a '98 Grand. My wife wanted the 1st one,thought it was crazy to have 4wd for the couple of times a year you'd use it.Man was I wrong. I really miss the 1st one,it saved our lifes. Got hit in the rear passengers door by a driver who ran a red light.Whole family was in it,the most damage was right where our son was sitting. It launched us into the air and we landed on the hood of another car on our drivers side. There was not a straight panel on the car anywhere,the only door that would open was the drivers side passengers door.Police said she had to be doing the speed limit at least,which was 50.We walked away without a scratch,not so with the others in the accident.
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